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MobtownK said:
We have multiple federal agencies/departments that are experts at logistics. The Military. FEMA (say what you want about recovery dollars, they know how to distribute supplies)
Let them loose and these things would have already been solved.
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I wish we could have pulled General Honoré out of retirement and turned him loose.
 
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jthomas666 said:
You're absolutely right. We should never try to do anything, because it's all just... SO HARD.

Yes, there are obstacles. But they are not insurmountable. Planning helps overcome them. Having qualified people who know what they're doing is another. Solutions may not be perfect, but they will help.
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the incompetent folks that twitler has put in charge of the government and are screwing the pooch left and right are proof that government can't do anything right. or something like that
 
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Im_on_dsp said:
You do realize that over 99% of the federal government consists of apolitical workers who do their job regardless of which political party is "in charge"? Do you know any federal employees? Ask them how much bandwidth they have to start taking on food distribution, in addition to everything else they are already doing. No one wants to see food go to waste but we're talking about plants still sitting in the ground that have a window of a few days where they need to be picked and shipped, not canned goods sitting on a shelf somewhere. The only feasible solution would have been for the food service companies to step up, taken delivery of the produce and sent it to the food banks, gratis. I guess they must be Republicans because that didn't happen.
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I don't blame what has already happened there or with milk on Trump. I really doubt that it could reasonably have been predicted. I just wish that someone would try something right now because it is going to happen more and more.

It is now a known problem. Someone has to step up.
 
Im_on_dsp said:
You do realize that over 99% of the federal government consists of apolitical workers who do their job regardless of which political party is "in charge"? Do you know any federal employees? Ask them how much bandwidth they have to start taking on food distribution, in addition to everything else they are already doing. No one wants to see food go to waste but we're talking about plants still sitting in the ground that have a window of a few days where they need to be picked and shipped, not canned goods sitting on a shelf somewhere. The only feasible solution would have been for the food service companies to step up, taken delivery of the produce and sent it to the food banks, gratis. I guess they must be Republicans because that didn't happen.
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Yes, I know that; I also know that Trump has purged a lot of the senior management positions to appoint his own people. And he thought that Betsy DeVos was qualified for Secretary of Education.

Yes, I do.

I suspect that if I asked a state department worker about the available bandwidth to address the issue, he or she wouldn't have a clue. But between the Dept of Agriculture, Transportation, and FEMA, something could be worked out, particularly if they had a presidential mandate--especially if they had foreseen the problem ahead of time and PLANNED AHEAD (Think of that one month gap that Paul Reid pressed Trump about). Now, would they able able to address all crops? No. The tomatoes are likely screwed. Could they address some crops? Absolutely. Is something better than nothing? Absolutely.

Now, are they any other issues to which you wish to fling up your arms and cry, "We can't do it"?
 
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NationalTitles17 said:
arstechnica.com

No, senator, science can’t do away with models

Here’s why Senator John Cornyn’s critique of modeling is misguided.
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Science. Whoa!
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Im_on_dsp said:
Exactly who in the government is going to step in and get those crops to the food banks..before they spoil? Who decides whose crops are going to be confiscated? Where are the trucks going to come from? Who's going to drive the trucks? Which food banks actually qualify as "government approved". How much does each food bank get? This is a just a tip of the iceberg of the types of questions/issues that would need to be solved before this could work. A government that can't even send out a stimulus check to someone in less than three months is going to be able to gather up and distribute mass quantities of perishable foods in a matter of days?
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Im_on_dsp said:
You do realize that over 99% of the federal government consists of apolitical workers who do their job regardless of which political party is "in charge"? Do you know any federal employees? Ask them how much bandwidth they have to start taking on food distribution, in addition to everything else they are already doing. No one wants to see food go to waste but we're talking about plants still sitting in the ground that have a window of a few days where they need to be picked and shipped, not canned goods sitting on a shelf somewhere. The only feasible solution would have been for the food service companies to step up, taken delivery of the produce and sent it to the food banks, gratis. I guess they must be Republicans because that didn't happen.
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Several things.

1. You just proved that thinking the pandemic response team on the national security council could be scaled up quickly is poor thinking and planning on the part of the administration.
2. Hard problems are the reason government exists. It takes leaders with vision to lead people towards a common goal. President Eisenhower with the interstate system. President Kennedy with the moon shot program. FDR with the new deal. President Trump with the "I take no responsibility at all."
3. All of your questions are valid points. If only there had been competent people in place with the foresight to recognize the likely outcomes to massive unemployment, then there could have been programs in place. Heck, maybe they could have made a deal with farmers to employ the recently unemployed to pick the produce ahead of time. Maybe they could have figured out a way to get people to learn how to can goods, and get the FDA to relax regulations on mass production of canned goods for distribution.

I guess the issue with the type of thinking that you are exhibiting is an inherently pessimistic one. Isn't the whole fiscal conservative schtick supposed to be one that smart people will find solutions to problems that government can't or won't attempt to solve? Fundamentally it comes down to the fact that for three months the corona virus was downplayed instead of realistically attempting to educate and inform the public.

You seem to think that we are all out to get the president and his administration. Recognizing that there are missed opportunities isn't blaming the president for food being wasted. It isn't blaming the president for farmers having to till their crops. What it is doing is recognizing that there are things that could have done better. And this isn't even a small "process improvement" type thing that most people and businesses attempt to do. This is an issue where the leader of the free world told people there was no problem until the problem couldn't be covered up or ignored anymore. That most definitely is a failing of the president. Everything that stems from misinformation and gaslighting of the American populace is at this point guessing and hoping that we could have done things better.

The first part of any problem is recognizing that there is a problem. You seem to still be unwilling to at least recognize that the president's handling of the information flow is a massive problem in all of this.
 
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chanson78 said:
The first part of any problem is recognizing that there is a problem. You seem to still be unwilling to at least recognize that the president's handling of the information flow is a massive problem in all of this.
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Please highlight one of my posts where I said the president is doing a good job with the coronavirus pandemic. He most certainly hasn't and the missteps are too numerous to count. However, I do take issue with just looking at every single issue that arises and assuming "the government" should have known or should have done something about it. This thing is way beyond what anyone thought it would be and there are lot of really, really smart people working night and day to minimize the damage (and I'm not just talking about the executive branch of the US government when I say that). The plowing of crops or dumping of milk because of the supply chain disruption is something no one saw happening. I would be willing to bet everything I own that Hillary wouldn't have solved that one either.
 
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Im_on_dsp said:
Please highlight one of my posts where I said the president is doing a good job with the coronavirus pandemic. He most certainly hasn't and the missteps are too numerous to count. However, I do take issue with just looking at every single issue that arises and assuming "the government" should have known or should have done something about it. This thing is way beyond what anyone thought it would be and there are lot of really, really smart people working night and day to minimize the damage (and I'm not just talking about the executive branch of the US government when I say that). The plowing of crops or dumping of milk because of the supply chain disruption is something no one saw happening. I would be willing to bet everything I own that Hillary wouldn't have solved that one either.
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They should have known, the world should have known. China was the clear warning. This thing is not "way beyond what anyone thought". There were plenty of scientists and medical researchers warning of this very outcome. The #1 problem was a stupid president who was too busy playing golf and telling everyone it was just the flu, for a whole freaking month!

Conservatives would go down with the Titanic if Trump told them it was safe, "it's just like a swimming pool slide." I have never seen a group of people so brainwashed by an administration before in my lifetime. It's amazing and scary at the same time.
 
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Im_on_dsp said:
Please highlight one of my posts where I said the president is doing a good job with the coronavirus pandemic. He most certainly hasn't and the missteps are too numerous to count. However, I do take issue with just looking at every single issue that arises and assuming "the government" should have known or should have done something about it. This thing is way beyond what anyone thought it would be and there are lot of really, really smart people working night and day to minimize the damage (and I'm not just talking about the executive branch of the US government when I say that). The plowing of crops or dumping of milk because of the supply chain disruption is something no one saw happening. I would be willing to bet everything I own that Hillary wouldn't have solved that one either.
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Edit: I forgot to address your opening point.

First of all. I never said that you thought the president was doing a good job with this pandemic. What I did say was "You seem to still be unwilling to at least recognize that the president's handling of the information flow is a massive problem in all of this." There is a vast difference between saying the president is doing a good job, and recognizing that "the president's handling of the information flow is a massive problem in all of this."

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What I bolded in your quote is just patently not true.

Either you will have to convince me that no one in the world or in the US government was talking about a pandemic like this being possible, or even likely. Or I will have to convince you that there was plenty of warnings, and plenty of people talking about this while the president was saying it wasn't a real thing.

Otherwise we will be unable to have a meaningful conversation due to not having a common start point with regards to the United States response to the COVID pandemic.
 
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