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chanson78 said:
What I bolded in your quote is just patently not true.
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What I was referring to was not the disease itself, but rather the crazy side effects like farmers dumping milk down the sewers, plowing under perfectly good vegetables, runs on toilet paper, crazy preachers having in-house services knowing full well the ramifications, etc. There has been a whole lot of craziness that no one could have predicted. I didn't see a single talking head at CNN, MSNBC, etc., bring up any of this stuff until after the fact.
 
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What I was referring to was not the disease itself, but rather the crazy side effects like farmers dumping milk down the sewers, plowing under perfectly good vegetables, runs on toilet paper, crazy preachers having in-house services knowing full well the ramifications, etc. There has been a whole lot of craziness that no one could have predicted. I didn't see a single talking head at CNN, MSNBC, etc., bring up any of this stuff until after the fact.
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I agree with all of that except for the crazy preachers. With Trump telling everyone who would listen that this was no big deal, his base (those crazy preachers) were absolutely guaranteed to do this.
 
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Here are some links in yet another attempt to prove just how much people knew that a pandemic like this could occur, what was likely to happen, and how ready the US was for such a thing.

This breifing: Facilitated Group Discussion Pandemic Response details a scenario produced by the Obama transition team in an attempt to help the Trump administration get on board quickly.

Facilitated Group Discussion Pandemic Response said:
Slide 11
Title: Pandemic Response: First Move
  1. Outbreak of Novel Influenza
    1. Large number of infections in London, Seoul and Jakarta
    2. Efficiently transmitting person-to-person
    3. Transmission likely through respiratory routes
  2. Medical services are overwhelmed through parts of Asia
  3. Insufficient lab capacities in remote areas make reporting and tracking difficult
  4. Health officials warn this could be the worst influenza pandemic since 1918.
Slide 14
Title: Pandemic Response: Second Move

  1. Cases of H9N2 influenza have now been reported in California and Texas
  2. The world will be facing an impending shortage of key resources such as:
    1. Antiviral Drugs
    2. Personal Protective Equipment
    3. Other medical equipment, such as, ventilators
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So I won't continue to type out all of those slides (can't just cut and paste as they are images) but suffice to say that on Jan 13, 2017 the Trump administration at least knew that such a thing was possible.

Now that isn't even the best part! This article here, outlines health officials taking part in something called Crimson Contagion during 2019. Edit: I had originally titled this link: "This article here, outlines the administration taking part in something called Crimson Contagion during 2019". It is not clear that the administration actually took part in the exercise. It was performed by HHS/DHS/FEMA and it is possible that it did not bubble up to the administration.

Politico Article said:
Trump has claimed that his administration could not have foreseen the coronavirus pandemic, which has spread to all 50 states and more than 180 nations, sickening more than 460,000 people around the world. “Nobody ever expected a thing like this,” Trump said in a Fox News interview on Tuesday.

But Trump’s aides were told to expect a potential pandemic, ranging from a tabletop exercise that the outgoing Obama administration prepared for the president’s incoming aides to a “Crimson Contagion” scenario that health officials undertook just last year and modeled out potential risks of a global infectious disease threat. Trump’s deputies also have said that their coronavirus response relies on a federal playbook, specifically referring to a strategy laid out by the Centers for Disease Control.

It is not clear if the administration’s failure to follow the NSC playbook was the result of an oversight or a deliberate decision to follow a different course.

The document rested with NSC officials who dealt with medical preparedness and biodefense in the global health security directorate, which the Trump administration disbanded in 2018, four former officials said. The document was originally overseen by Beth Cameron, a former civil servant who led the directorate before leaving the White House in March 2017. Cameron confirmed to POLITICO that the directorate created a playbook for NSC staff intended to help officials confront a range of potential biological threats.
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I suggest you go read what the exercise in 2019 called Crimson Contagion found. Here is the source article from the NYT.

In any event, the only possible way that you can truly believe that "this thing is way beyond what anyone thought it would be." is too be willfully ignorant of the facts. Please change my mind.
 
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Im_on_dsp said:
What I was referring to was not the disease itself, but rather the crazy side effects like farmers dumping milk down the sewers, plowing under perfectly good vegetables, runs on toilet paper, crazy preachers having in-house services knowing full well the ramifications, etc. There has been a whole lot of craziness that no one could have predicted. I didn't see a single talking head at CNN, MSNBC, etc., bring up any of this stuff until after the fact.
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The last time I checked it was not a reporters job to think about the results of a pandemic, and to plan the pandemic response for the nation.

Reporters are paid to report on things that happen. Good, bad, indifferent, they make reports about things that happen in the world. If you were to make the statement that people on the National Security Council Pandemic Response Team should have been thinking about things like this then I wholeheartedly agree with you. Problem is the president had them fired.
 
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Go Bama said:
Very cool simulation. Six feet is really not enough. And wear a mask in public.

www.nytimes.com

This 3-D Simulation Shows Why Social Distancing Is So Important (Published 2020)

We visualized a cough to show how far respiratory droplets can spread. If you haven’t been keeping your distance to fight the coronavirus, this may persuade you.
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I made the mistake of saying 6' wasn't enough on a local neighborhood group and also all should be wearing masks outside, per CDC. I got roundly attacked. A couple of the nurses were attackers and got so far out of line they got kicked out of the group. People don't want to hear it...
 
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Im_on_dsp said:
What I was referring to was not the disease itself, but rather the crazy side effects like farmers dumping milk down the sewers, plowing under perfectly good vegetables, runs on toilet paper, crazy preachers having in-house services knowing full well the ramifications, etc. There has been a whole lot of craziness that no one could have predicted. I didn't see a single talking head at CNN, MSNBC, etc., bring up any of this stuff until after the fact.
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Talking heads aren't qualified as disaster preparedness experts; so no, they're not going to come up with them.

Do you know what disaster preparedness entails? It entails a lot of projections, a lot of what ifs, doing worst case scenarios, etc. The idea is to work through the crisis in a simulated manner, without the pressure of an actual pandemic, so you can identify things that might happen. Sure, there are weird things you can never expect. For three weeks I couldn't find garlic. But disinfectants, bleach, purell, PPE--those could have easily been predicted.

And if you couldn't predict crazy preachers being crazy preachers, you aren't even trying.

And yes, some things are not that obvious--in the heat of the moment. Milk and crops--as soon as a crisis planner asks, "What are the ramifications if we close the schools?", things like milk could have been identified. Any examination of the effects of extended social distancing could have identified issues with bringing crops in.

Apollo 13 didn't get home because NASA was great at flying by the seat of their pants. They got home because they tried to think of everything that could possibly go wrong, and made detailed preparations for ALL of them. When the crisis occurred, they had a substantial knowledge bank to start from.

Of course, it's not a slam dunk that significant planning would have identified these issues; in his report on the Apollo 1 fire, astronaut Frank Borman called the fire the result of a "failure of imagination"--the idea of a fire on the pad never occurred to them.

But enough with the "no one could have predicted" bit.
 
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Talking heads aren't qualified as disaster preparedness experts; so no, they're not going to come up with them.

Do you know what disaster preparedness entails? It entails a lot of projections, a lot of what ifs, doing worst case scenarios, etc. The idea is to work through the crisis in a simulated manner, without the pressure of an actual pandemic, so you can identify things that might happen. Sure, there are weird things you can never expect. For three weeks I couldn't find garlic. But disinfectants, bleach, purell, PPE--those could have easily been predicted.

And if you couldn't predict crazy preachers being crazy preachers, you aren't even trying.

And yes, some things are not that obvious--in the heat of the moment. Milk and crops--as soon as a crisis planner asks, "What are the ramifications if we close the schools?", things like milk could have been identified. Any examination of the effects of extended social distancing could have identified issues with bringing crops in.

Apollo 13 didn't get home because NASA was great at flying by the seat of their pants. They got home because they tried to think of everything that could possibly go wrong, and made detailed preparations for ALL of them. When the crisis occurred, they had a substantial knowledge bank to start from.

Of course, it's not a slam dunk that significant planning would have identified these issues; in his report on the Apollo 1 fire, astronaut Frank Borman called the fire the result of a "lack of imagination"--the idea of a fire on the pad never occurred to them.

But enough with the "no one could have predicted" bit.
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So much all of this.
 
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