BREAKING Sec additions–Texas, Oklahoma inquire about joining SEC per report

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I think its worth highlighting and paying attention to the fact that this was dropped when it was.

SEC Media Days. And not only that... the same day that Alabama is one of the feature programs.

That was no accident. Oh and apparently literally just before Jimbo Fisher is going to take the stage? Yeah. Not a coincidence.
 

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Well for LSU, in cross-division terms, how important is that Florida game? It's always one of the bigger games of the year, but there has been a lot of bad back and forth between the two over the last decade. I get the sense neither one really cares if the game continues.

I just think the whole cross-division thing loses relevance in this new scenario. Plus, there simply isn't going to be room on the schedules for it. You need more of a rotation, otherwise you're going a decade before seeing some of these teams. Obviously, one of the draws to this is regular OU/Alabama, OU/Florida, Texas/Alabama, etc games. Well that does not happen with any regularity at all if you have protected cross-division games.
I kinda favor that or either doing an odd-even year thing and having 3 permanent rivalries per school. Get rid of 1 game and have a two game playoff for a SEC title. The reason I’m still for a SECCG is that you are going to have many more ties in a 8 team division.

11 games (8 conference) 2 game playoff. That way if someone stays 4 years then they will have visited every campus ( unless you are Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia, or Florida).

That or just get rid of permanent rivalries. But I think the appeal of playing everyone in a tenure at their place is better for fans.
 
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To recap, what is currently being reported is that there is "mutual interest". What that means is kind of up in the air, but it is easy to imagine programs like Vanderbilt and Miss. St. who already leech off of everyone else anyway being into the idea of leeching off of Texas to. That does not mean this is a done deal.

Point A: There very nearly was the destruction of the Big 12 (reportedly Oklahoma was within 30 minutes of leaving) and part of that was to avoid exit fees it literally was going to be destroyed. Texas A&M got cold feet, things slowed down and ultimately what looked like the death of the Big 12 and the creation of the Pac-16 turned into a trickle of Big 12 teams headed elsewhere.

Point B: Virginia Tech forced their way into the ACC. The ACC had a deal all lined up to add Virginia and some other teams but not VT. VT was very unhappy, threw a fit, took them to court, and ended up being included.

These situations speak to the complicated process of expansion. This isn't just about Texas A&M and Missouri being unhappy. This is about Oklahoma St., Baylor, TCU and Texas Tech using all their political and legal influence to prevent this.

If they try to do this, things will get messy. This does signal the inevitability of something happening though, and just doing this will break legal agreements that Texas and Oklahoma currently have in place. They would be losing their TV rights through 2025 I believe. This would not be a clean exit.
 
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To recap, what is currently being reported is that there is "mutual interest". What that means is kind of up in the air, but it is easy to imagine programs like Vanderbilt and Miss. St. who already leech off of everyone else anyway being into the idea of leeching off of Texas to. That does not mean this is a done deal.

Point A: There very nearly was the destruction of the Big 12 (reportedly Oklahoma was within 30 minutes of leaving) and part of that was to avoid exit fees it literally was going to be destroyed. Texas A&M got cold feet, things slowed down and ultimately what looked like the death of the Big 12 and the creation of the Pac-16 turned into a trickle of Big 12 teams headed elsewhere.

Point B: Virginia Tech forced their way into the ACC. The ACC had a deal all lined up to add Virginia and some other teams but not VT. VT was very unhappy, threw a fit, took them to court, and ended up being included.

These situations speak to the complicated process of expansion. This isn't just about Texas A&M and Missouri being unhappy. This is about Oklahoma St., Baylor, TCU and Texas Tech using all their political and legal influence to prevent this.

If they try to do this, things will get messy. This does signal the inevitability of something happening though, and just doing this will break legal agreements that Texas and Oklahoma currently have in place. They would be losing their TV rights through 2025 I believe. This would not be a clean exit.
Virginia was already a member of the ACC. I believe they are a charter member. The original 3 teams the ACC attempted to add were Syracuse, Boston College, and Miami. Syracuse had to remain in the Big East after Va Tech threw their fit. They were added later on, along with Pitt, when the ACC expanded to 14.
 
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Virginia was already a member of the ACC. I believe they are a charter member. The original 3 teams the ACC attempted to add were Syracuse, Boston College, and Miami. Syracuse had to remain in the Big East after Va Tech threw their fit. They were added later on, along with Pitt, when the ACC expanded to 14.
I knew I was forgetting something, why I didn't name the individual schools. Got a bit lazy there, but here's something about the lawsuit: https://www.espn.com/ncaa/news/2003/0625/1572884.html
 

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I always viewed this as a four conference situation in part because of the Pac-12. Geographically they are so isolated that it made more sense for them to try to add teams (BYU, Texas, Boise St., Oklahoma, whomever) than for any conference to try to snipe them. Outside of Southern Cal I don't see any of them as being especially valuable. Don't get me wrong, I'd take Southern Cal over Texas in a heartbeat!

I just don't see the Pac-12 going away completely, not sure how that could happen. The ACC has long term deals but otherwise are a basketball heavy conference and on shaky ground. Big 10 and SEC are rock solid even if they don't make any moves.

The only way I see the SEC adding Texas and Oklahoma as making any kind of sense anyway is if you go to a two conference breakaway. Then we're basically saying the SEC fires the first salvo here, then the Big 10 makes their moves, and they just pick from the Pac-12 and the ACC like a pick-up basketball game until they no one is left that they want. Even then though, you end up with programs like Kansas, Duke, Oregon, etc... who are not going to go quietly.

Either they turn this into a giant mess of nonsense (which they seem to be moving towards) or they move towards a much more orderly 4 super conference in which case the SEC already has their football powers and only needs a couple population/basketball type additions.
4 is far too rational at this point...LOL! If this type of realignment happens then all bets are off -- and the concept of a "regional conference" goes out the window.
 
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Is there any chance the ACC makes a grab for Vandy or possibly Mizzou? And we then bring Okie St and Baylor in too?

the ACC has to survive this because of Basketball. So they will need to grab a few teams to get to 16.

this is at least popcorn worthy
 
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Is there any chance the ACC makes a grab for Vandy or possibly Mizzou? And we then bring Okie St and Baylor in too?

the ACC has to survive this because of Basketball. So they will need to grab a few teams to get to 16.

this is at least popcorn worthy
Doubt they'd go. They're sitting pretty in the SEC.

ACC would have to look elsewhere.
 
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Is there any chance the ACC makes a grab for Vandy or possibly Mizzou? And we then bring Okie St and Baylor in too?

the ACC has to survive this because of Basketball. So they will need to grab a few teams to get to 16.

this is at least popcorn worthy
Wishing out load again? I do it all the time :cool:
 

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Ok boomer.

Is this satire? You sound literally scared. If adding those two teams to the conference doesn't get you excited, are you even a fan of college football at all? You erroneously claim the SEC would gain nothing, Do you realize how much $$$ those two teams pull in with their own fanbases. Not to mention a bigger geographical footprint, multiple new revenue opportunities. The quality of games increase substantially. Go ahead and do some research how how much money those teams make and go back and read what you said. What a weak and spineless comment to one of the most exciting realignment news drops in years.


You are literally doubling down on this point. Stand by, and I'll be back with some financial statements to fix this bone in your head

2020 UT- 200 Million $

OU with a cool 83 million in 2020 During the pandemic nontheless

Texas has been raking in the money for the entire decade of their mediocrity in 2018-2019 they set a new record for 223 million

OU coming at 8th nationally for revenue 2018-19 with 175 million which was a decrease from the previous year

I think if you don't know anything about finance and are only looking at the expansion with your bias and how much "harder" winning the SEC title can be :rolleyes: , you can convince yourself to believe things like "it makes no financial sense". A move like UT and OU coming to the SEC would be an earth shattering move. Top recruits every year come to Alabama to compete with the best every day. The best players want to compete against the best. Bring. it. on.
The vast majority of the money coming into a conference has nothing to do with the athletic budgets or endowments at specific universities - especially when considering factors for including or excluding individual universities for expansion. That argument, on its face, is laughable.

The vast majority of additional money brought in by past, conference expansions has been through the resulting expansion of eyeballs.

While, yes, brand recognition has something to do with that it is still both a limited and relative effect with exponentially diminishing returns. If, for example, the Pac-12 were to add Texas and Oklahoma it would have a significant effect on the conference's overall brand recognition and overall quality of competition as well as adding over 30 million new, potential, tv-watching eyeballs in a region where they currently have no representation. However, this does NOT track for the SEC. The SEC is already the apex in overall brand recognition and overall quality of competition. Adding Texas and Oklahoma would, technically, raise both of those somewhat but, effectively, not at all. The best would still be the best; there isn't likely to be a measurable advantage to being bester. And adding those two schools - since the SEC is already represented in Texas - would only be effectively adding under 4 million new, potential, tv-watching eyeballs. Adding Oklahoma would add two, regular Top-10, CFB, TV markets: Oklahoma City and Tulsa but just those two.

Adding Texas and OU would be a smart, financial move for the Pac-12; it would not be this for the SEC.

As for other factors, they're a wash at best - essentially non-factors. It would be nice to see more games against traditional powers but it would be at the expense of games against traditional SEC opponents. It would weaken - if not destroy - the Big XII conference. However, that conference - as a whole - isn't any real threat to dethrone the SEC in the foreseeable future. And few SEC schools - especially outside of TAMU - ever really compete with Big XII schools other than UT and OU for recruits. And, since we'd still be competing with those two big fish either way, there's no recruiting advantage.

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Alternatively, let's examine what would happen if the SEC were, for example, to expand to 16 teams by adding Virginia Tech and NC State.

1. While not traditional powers, both are recognizable brands - Va Tech obviously more so. And they would also help raise the brand recognition and quality of competition in the SEC in sports like Basketball and Baseball.
2. We would add close to 20 million new, potential, tv-watching eyeballs to the SEC's footprint.
3. It would add three, regular Top-10, CFB, TV markets: Greensboro, Charlotte, and Richmond plus two additional, regular Top-25, CFB, TV markets: Norfolk and Raleigh-Durham.
4. It would both weaken the ACC and strengthen our recruiting advantages throughout ACC territory - with whose schools many SEC schools compete for recruits every single year.
5. It would give us a good excuse to geographically re-align the divisions and [hopefully] put the Barn in the East. (My personal favorite.)


Anyone who says adding Texas and OU to the SEC would benefit the SEC more than two teams such as these simply isn't thinking logically...
 
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True, Texas would be middle of the pack in the SEC West easily. But wouldn't be surprised if they said Okie in the West and Texas in the east. Either way, I'm not a fan of this. Again, I'm thinking this is just both of these teams trying to pull the Big 12's card
Peter Burns and CD talked about this on SEC this morning. They speculated that one, the story has legs; two, that such a move would cause one HUUUUGGE ripple effect in the college football structure; and three, that Texas and Oklahoma would go to the West and Bama and Aubie move to the East.

Personally, I agree with some of the other posters here that this is more of a blackmail attempt against the Big 12 than anything else. If those two really were to leave, that conference basically disappears from legitimacy.
 
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I’m guessing this is a reaction to the NIL combined with the playoff expansion. Presumably, both schools believe they would be better aligned for these changes in the SEC. Assuming this happens, then I'm sure the dominos will start falling for the ACC, PAC-12 and Big Ten to scramble to create four super conferences.

I just don't see the immediate benefit to either the SEC or Texas and Oklahoma. Oklahoma gets into the playoffs most years by virtue of playing in a weaker conference, this will not bode well for them in making the playoffs, at least not until expansion occurs, and even then it hurts their chances. Texas hasn't made the playoffs yet, so this definitely will hurt them. I guess I do understand how it can benefit them from a recruiting perspective and better branding for NIL purposes.
 

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I think its worth highlighting and paying attention to the fact that this was dropped when it was.

SEC Media Days. And not only that... the same day that Alabama is one of the feature programs.

That was no accident. Oh and apparently literally just before Jimbo Fisher is going to take the stage? Yeah. Not a coincidence.
Color me skeptical too. But this pod system is intriguing.

 
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