UCLA and USC WILL Join the B1G in 2024

[Diogenes]

What about Louisville joining the SEC?

 

[BamaMoon]

No one watches NC and VA schools for national telecasts. But FSU vs Florida. Clemson vs Alabama. LSU vs Miami. People will watch those games. Eyeballs have value.

Not just new eyeballs. Total eyeballs

I just like the idea of Alabama vs. NC at Chapel Hill OR Georgia vs. Virginia conference games.

I also like the idea of being able to go to some away games in Virginia or NC in the fall instead of a Florida school that will be 90 degrees in the middle of October still.

As I said, I'm totally viewing this from "my" perspective and having recently moved to the NC mountains is a big influence in the way I'm looking at it.

Also, I love what UNC, Cavs or maybe Duke would add in basketball to the SEC! Huge pickup for the conference!

 

[TideEngineer08]

What about Louisville joining the SEC?

 

[TideEngineer08]

Dennis Dodd, the most reliable cfb reporter ever, is reporting now that Notre Dame has decided to stand pat. And that if ND isn't going to move, the Big Ten isn't going any further, and if the Big Ten isn't adding anybody else, the SEC is done for now as well.

He is also reporting that the Big 12 is in deep discussions with Arizona, ASU, Colorado, and Utah and that they for once are thinking aggressively. The Big 12 is also apparently trying to woo Washington and Oregon along as well, since they are apparently being shelved by the Big Ten.

Finally, the remaining Pac 12 presidents have given the conference commissioner to go ahead today to being rights negotiations with tv partners (what the hell they are able to offer without the presence of USC and UCLA is not known at this time).

It's a bold move by the Big 12 that just might stabilize things. For now.

 

[CajunCrimson]

Dennis Dodd, the most reliable cfb reporter ever, is reporting now that Notre Dame has decided to stand pat. And that if ND isn't going to move, the Big Ten isn't going any further, and if the Big Ten isn't adding anybody else, the SEC is done for now as well.

He is also reporting that the Big 12 is in deep discussions with Arizona, ASU, Colorado, and Utah and that they for once are thinking aggressively. The Big 12 is also apparently trying to woo Washington and Oregon along as well, since they are apparently being shelved by the Big Ten.

Finally, the remaining Pac 12 presidents have given the conference commissioner to go ahead today to being rights negotiations with tv partners (what the hell they are able to offer without the presence of USC and UCLA is not known at this time).

It's a bold move by the Big 12 that just might stabilize things. For now.

If I’m the B12 I’d go after all of the PAC schools.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

Dennis Dodd, the most reliable cfb reporter ever, is reporting now that Notre Dame has decided to stand pat. And that if ND isn't going to move, the Big Ten isn't going any further, and if the Big Ten isn't adding anybody else, the SEC is done for now as well.

He is also reporting that the Big 12 is in deep discussions with Arizona, ASU, Colorado, and Utah and that they for once are thinking aggressively. The Big 12 is also apparently trying to woo Washington and Oregon along as well, since they are apparently being shelved by the Big Ten.

Finally, the remaining Pac 12 presidents have given the conference commissioner to go ahead today to being rights negotiations with tv partners (what the hell they are able to offer without the presence of USC and UCLA is not known at this time).

It's a bold move by the Big 12 that just might stabilize things. For now.

It would be pretty funny if the MWC raided the remaining 4 teams and the PAC dies.

 

[TideEngineer08]

If I’m the B12 I’d go after all of the PAC schools.

They certainly should. It is no surprise if Stanford and Cal balk at that offer, but the condescension apparently being shown by Washington and Oregon right now is hilarious.

They were never getting into the Big Ten without Notre Dame, it appears, because the projected per team payout would have actually decreased with UW and UO alone without Notre Dame.

My dream scenario is Notre Dame remains as is, or at least just fully joins the ACC thereby stabilizing that league. The Arizonas, Colorado, and Utah happily seek refuge in the Big 12 creating the Big 16. Finally, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, and California are left out in the cold.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

They certainly should. It is no surprise if Stanford and Cal balk at that offer, but the condescension apparently being shown by Washington and Oregon right now is hilarious.

They were never getting into the Big Ten without Notre Dame, it appears, because the projected per team payout would have actually decreased with UW and UO alone without Notre Dame.

My dream scenario is Notre Dame remains as is, or at least just fully joins the ACC thereby stabilizing that league. The Arizonas, Colorado, and Utah happily seek refuge in the Big 12 creating the Big 16. Finally, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, and California are left out in the cold.

Somewhere our former Oregon poster is weeping

 

[B1GTide]

Time will tell, when the new TV deals are cut and when they have some experience with long-distance relationships...

This is true. Lots of guesswork right now. The future is, at best, nebulous

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

It actually doesn't, unless the SEC deal has a new provision. When the SEC added Texas A&M and Missouri I know the pushback from the TV deal side of things was that they wanted to keep paying the same amount per team. The SEC was able to do some renegotiating but it wasn't triggered by a clause that I'm aware of. I know the SEC had to wait for the last deal with CBS to expire before they could get a much better one for example. One big point of leverage the SEC has is an additional conference game, so they could dangle that in front of ESPN.

Back to the general topic, I think once the dust has settled there will probably be 3 mega conferences for the next several years. Big 10, SEC, and what could turn out to be the Big 12, which can just add the leftovers from the Pac 12 and ACC (being somewhat centrally located helps with this). This all depends on cracking open the ACC though, if for instance the Big 10 just gets Notre Dame and the SEC (shortsightedly) just adds a couple Florida schools or something the ACC could zombie walk through more years of their current deal.

Well, a decent lawyer could easily say that the new teams aren't a part of the old deal so we will negotiate with your rival network for coverage of the games involving them...

I don't believe for a second that the SEC lawyers don't have that covered.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

Once North Carolina and Virginia are gone, it's hard to imagine the ACC surviving, in fact getting that deal done might literally require the destruction of the ACC due to grant of rights deals.

OK, I have seen several references to this 'Grant of Rights' or whatever its called. Can someone fill the few of us that aren't familiar with this in as to what that is?

 

[81usaf92]

OK, I have seen several references to this 'Grant of Rights' or whatever its called. Can someone fill the few of us that aren't familiar with this in as to what that is?

It’s basically an agreement that they will stay together until X amount of years under the threat of penalty of leaving unless the conference totally implodes. But it pretty much is going to be a big nothing burger once the pressure is applied to ND by the B1G or teams start to seriously try to work deals with the big 2. It’s why I don’t put stock in anything saying “Clemson and Miami are in talks with the SEC”. No one is going to pay a massive fee for either.

 

[deliveryman35]

I wouldn’t put any stock from rumors at this point. Especially ones that are being started by people like Dennis Dodd.

what people have to realize is 2 things. 1) the ACC survives as long as all 4 of ND, UNC, Virginia, and FSU are happy and 2) the current members of the SEC have a lot of say of who gets in. Everyone who keeps saying Clemson has to realize they have 3 automatic no votes and probably 4-5 others before negotiations happen. Florida St is probably the most likely of those 3 teams to make it in the SEC and it’s because the money they generate.

Yea, I think we can throw the old rules out the window, including competing schools wielding veto power over new league membership for other schools within their same state. That used to be a thing.

 

[81usaf92]

Yea, I think we can throw the old rules out the window, including competing schools wielding veto power over new league membership for other schools within their same state. That used to be a thing.

It really depends on who is using that veto power to block who. aTm trying to block Texas isn’t the same as Georgia and Auburn trying to block Clemson or Florida blocking Miami.

At the end of the day some members are far more powerful than others. Texas A&M may have more money than god but 13 against 1 over Texas shows you how powerful their position really is.

 

[CB4]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Phil Knight convinced Oregon to breakaway and form their own “conference” which would include….well…Oregon.
Every Saturday they would play intrasquad games. I mean, it’s not like they would run out of uniform combinations…

 

[CullmanTide]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Phil Knight convinced Oregon to breakaway and form their own “conference” which would include….well…Oregon.
Every Saturday they would play intrasquad games. I mean, it’s not like the would run out of uniform combinations…

There's always Canada.

 

[Diogenes]

It seems to me that Notre Dame was always destined to be in the big ten so…. especially when anonymous sources claim otherwise. An Independent team is in dead man’s land in the football playoffs.

It is just a matter of time before the ACC is poached by the big 10 so time is of the essence.

There are a handful of ACC teams that are viable.

My guess is Sankey will add ACC teams before 2023

The SEC is in good hands with Greg Sankey

The Son of New York Who Runs the South’s Most Envied Sports League

Greg Sankey rose from upstate New York to become the commissioner of the Southeastern Conference. These days, no one is exercising more sway over college sports.

www.nytimes.com

 

[CajunCrimson]

I just noticed that Knoxville is 50 miles closer to Blacksburg than it is to Tuscaloosa.

 

[CullmanTide]

It seems to me that Notre Dame was always destined to be in the big ten so…. especially when anonymous sources claim otherwise. An Independent team is in dead man’s land in the football playoffs.

It is just a matter of time before the ACC is poached by the big 10 so time is of the essence.

There are a handful of ACC teams that are viable.

My guess is Sankey will add ACC teams before 2023

The SEC is in good hands with Greg Sankey

The Son of New York Who Runs the South’s Most Envied Sports League

Greg Sankey rose from upstate New York to become the commissioner of the Southeastern Conference. These days, no one is exercising more sway over college sports.

www.nytimes.com

You have more confidence in him than I do.

 

[dtgreg]

The B1G requires everyone to be apart of AAU research. It’s something to do with medical and legal research from what I gathered. They are big on academics and AAU schools are elite. I think the only SEC schools with AAU are Texas, aTm, Mizzou, Vandy, and Florida.

Nebraska was AAU when they joined but are no longer because the administration didn’t like where they were heading

I truly believe that Dr. Witt's plan was to take us to AAU status or at least give us a chance to get there, if need be, to compete.