He should have let go once he realized he had his facemask and it was obvious he was grabbing his facemask. I know we would have still gotten a penalty, but he would have at least not looked like he was trying to twist his head off of his shoulders.
Dallas Turner's "dirty" tackle
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It's just another egregious example of poor fundamentals. He went too high, you have to get to a guys mid section to effectively tackle. I realize the other guy went lower, but that's ALWAYS what they do when they are about to get hit. Getting low is called winning. it's not just bad luck. Good fundamentals produce good results without penalties.
The facemask and shoving his face into the ground were two different plays. As noted above, the facemask grab was due to poor fundamentals and undisciplined play. Shoving the opposing QB's face in the ground after a sack is just stupid and thuggish. Turner should've been flagged for it and Saban should've benched him for it...at least for a series or two.
The facemask was a dangerous play but a football play...it wasn't intentional.That was worse than the penalty. He is one step from making a sack and us getting the ball back. It extended their drive. These are the things that have kept from being a really good football team.
The shoving his head into the turf was intentional.
Was the facemask potentially more dangerous? no doubt.
This isn't a question of danger, it's about intent...at least it is to me.
He got flagged for the facemask and it was a costly penalty.
He should have been flagged for pushing the QB's head into the turf. That too would have been a costly penalty, and one for which there is no valid excuse. It was simply more undisciplined play that could have changed the outcome of the game.
rewatching the slow motion didnt look it was very violent ... QB was trying to run .. was not stationary ... but optics looked bad since he didnt let go off the helmet
He should have been flagged for that. That`s thuggish. Couldn`t believe they didn`t call it. When he did it I threw up my hands and said , " There`s 15 and a first down !! ".
As fast and elusive as these QBs are today, i think you have to go full speed. These guys aren’t statues anymore.
As far as grabbing the facemask, anyone thats played the game knows, once your fingers are in the mask, its hard to let go even if you wanted to. I have mangled fingers now frommy HS playing days as a result of getting caught up in the facemask , among other things.
You cannot be serious. This incident took about 3/4 of a second from grasp to release. I imagine a neurologist could tell us how long it takes for the impulse to travel from the hand to the brain, the brain to recognize what's happening and transmit an impulse to release, and then the hand to release, but I'd be surprised if it's much faster than that. Unless someone seriously suggests this was intentional (and as has been thoroughly noted, Dallas' reaction makes it clear it was not intentional, to anyone not looking to tarnish him or Alabama), this is a faux controversy...
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Serious question - did you ever play?
In real time there is no "oh, I seem to have inadvertently grabbed the face mask, I should let go immediately" - it all happens so fast it simply doesn't register most of the time. It's no different than some of the 'late hits' that are called, as if a 280# player moving as full speed can immediately stop when the ball leaves the QB's hand.
Yep, some people forget about the "Laws of Motion" that were taught in the 7th grade.
If it was Bryce Young instead, there would be several of us peeved that the defender didn't let go until he was tackled and his helmet was ripped off. If a WR can have a ball hit his hands and then close his fingers in a split second to catch the ball, then a whole second is more than enough time to "let go".
Tell me you never played football without telling me you never played football…
If you don’t understand biomechanics, it’s okay just to say so
I did play, but it was only for a year. So, you're technically right. I'm sure in that moment he was just going on instincts and doing what it took to stop the Ole Miss QB from getting away and that overrode any sort of awareness that it would take to let go of his helmet at that very moment.
I'm definitely not a bio-mechanics expert. But, I do know a baseball player is capable of hitting a 103 mph fastball from 60 feet away and that an athlete's fast twitch reflexes are greater than the average human being. Like I said in my previous reply, he should have, but he was going on instinct and the desire to stop the Ole Miss QB from getting away and that canceled out any other processes that could have possibly led to him letting go of the helmet.If you don’t understand biomechanics, it’s okay just to say so
No, not that one. The one getting all the press is when he shoved Dart's head into the ground after a sack. That was totally uncalled for and deserved a penalty.
Please do not try to compare hitting a baseball with trying to untangle fingers from a face mask once said fingers have wrapped around a moving target that is trying to pull away from said defender and his fingers.
I wasn't directly comparing the two, but just making a point that athletes can process with their brains and then make quick movements with their muscles. I do get the instinct to hold on probably canceled out any logical thinking in the midst of the play. So, I concede that. I yield
It's not the brain part. It's the physical ability to do what the brain is saying.
When your hand is wrapped up in a facemask and the object wearing the facemask is going in a different direction your brain can scream "let go" all it wants but all it takes is for one or two knuckles on that hand to twist sideways and the hand screams back "I can't".
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