Poll / discussion: Who will start at QB?

[davefrat]

And 99 out of every 100 random people you might ask...

I had far more faith in his ability to execute than I had in the play-calls coming in from the booth, that's for dang certain!

Seems like his opinion is more what my kids would classify as something a "hater" would post, rather than something based upon rational thought or objective facts.

But, as the old saying goes, everyone has an opinion just like everyone has a...and most of them stink.

 

[Tidelines]

What about our future QB ? Let’s get back to that discussion.

 

[deliveryman35]

I think Ty wins the job eventually but that Milroe will start the first two games.

 

[HighlandOak]

When you make such a questionable opinion based upon how you "felt" rather than upon objective criteria, it's safe to say the opinion is absurd.

Again, maybe to you.

 

[HighlandOak]

And 99 out of every 100 random people you might ask...

I had far more faith in his ability to execute than I had in the play-calls coming in from the booth, that's for dang certain!

Oh, make no mistake, I had no faith in the play-calling, either.

 

[BamaMoon]

Maybe to you.

You've doubled, tripled and quadrupled down on that "opinion." How do you sound to everybody but you???

It's akin to saying something like "Coach Bryant didn't understand what it took to win." Somebody probably said it in the day, but they were laughed out of the room.

What about our future QB ? Let’s get back to that discussion.

I voted for Ty Simpson cause I believe he's got the most "QB talent" in the room. But there's a reason Buchner is in Tuscaloosa so I'm hedging my bets he may get the nod.

I firmly believe the QB who emerges from the UTa game (in the case of a win) who performed the best is the odds-on favorite to start the rest of the year if they remain healthy and productive.

 

[HighlandOak]

You've doubled, tripled and quadrupled down on that "opinion." How do you sound to everybody but you???

I'm not concerned with how I sound to anybody. When I see that someone has directly asked me a question, I try to respond to it. Since the events that formed my opinion are in the past, they aren't going to change.

It's akin to saying something like "Coach Bryant didn't understand what it took to win." Somebody probably said it in the day, but they were laughed out of the room.

No, it's not. I'm not making a judgment on Young's understanding/intelligence/whatever, and not saying he didn't know how to do something. I'm stating how I felt with a person in a given situation.

 

[BamaMoon]

Then how did the person who said "I never felt comfortable with Coach Bear Bryant on the sidelines" come across to folks? Guess where he would have probably been escorted? Oh the irony here: he'd been escorted down to Bryce Hospital for the insane!

I think most people equate feeling comfortable with a person based on some kind of evidence of past behavior and in this case it would be BY's performance on the field (since I'm unaware of anything he ever did off the field to diminish anyone's view of him).

In BY's case, he literally performed as well as any QB we've ever, especially when you consider the circumstances of the injuries in his first year (on the cusp of a NC when two dynamic receivers get hurt) and the assistant coaching debacle in his second.

But his performances (the very ones that caused you to not feel comfortable with him) are the reason EVERYBODY disagrees with you on this. It's like you aren't considering the facts and you're stuck in your head about a feeling that doesn't compute with reality. It's why no one can agree with your position.

 

[davefrat]

I'm not concerned with how I sound to anybody. When I see that someone has directly asked me a question, I try to respond to it. Since the events that formed my opinion are in the past, they aren't going to change.


No, it's not. I'm not making a judgment on Young's understanding/intelligence/whatever, and not saying he didn't know how to do something. I'm stating how I felt with a person in a given situation.

Ok, let's try this.

Instead of expressing your feelings on Bryce as a QB, how about telling us your thoughts based upon quantifiable criteria.

I'll start with quantifiable criteria to support my opinion that what Bryce achieved was far beyond what "any good QB could do":

• 1st in Alabama single-season passing yards (4,872)
• 1st in Alabama single-season passing touchdowns (47)
• 1st in Alabama career five-touchdown games (5)
• 2nd in Alabama career passing yards (8,356)
• 2nd in Alabama career passing touchdowns (80)
• Sugar Bowl MVP (2022)
• Manning Award Finalist (2022)
• 2nd Team All-American by PFF and USAT (2022)
• 2nd Team All-SEC by AP (2022)
• Heisman Trophy (2021)
• Maxwell Award (2021)
• Davey O'Brien Award (2021)
• Manning Award (2021)
• College Football Player of the Year by AP and SN (2021)
• 1st Team All-American by AP, FWAA, PFF, USAT, ESPN, CBS Sports and TSN (2021)
• 2nd Team All-American by AFCA and Walter Camp (2021)
• SEC Offensive Player of the Year (2021)
• 1st Team All-SEC (2021)

Now, can you provide any quantifiable criteria upon which to base your opinion that "any good QB could do what he did"? Or is your opinion really just feelings?

 

[BamaMoon]

Thanks for putting some "facts" into the equation. Kinda the point of my last post, but thank you for doing the research!

 

[4Q Basket Case]

No pointless sparring, guys.

Let’s keep this about who wins the QB job for 2023, not an evaluation of people who have won the job in the past.

 

[BamaMoon]

I know most of you don't go back and watch losses, but I'm a little different and I'll watch a loss up until they start showing the other team go into celebration mode.

I've been watching the 2021 NC game against Georgia. For context, we'd already lost Metchie in the big win against Georgia in the SECCG. Then we lost JW in the first half of the NC game.

At the half, we were leading 9-6. BY had over 200 yards in the first half and had outplayed Bennett. We were clearly dominating Georgia in every way, except the scoreboard. In hindsight, if we could have just put one TD on the board in that half we probably win the game depleted as we were!

Point is, BY played an amazing game despite having to adjust to throwing to Slade Bolden instead of JW. I know we gave Texas a hard time about "if Colt hadn't got hurt" but there's no question the loss of both Metchie and Williams totally changed the outcome of that game. It eventually "caught up to us" in the second half of the NC game.

This also should have been the game that indicated to CNS that we needed to be able to run the ball better in games like this. We only finished the game with 30 yards rushing to Georgia's 140. We rush the ball in the first half just a little better and we at least put 1 of those drives in the endzone.

Keeping this on the current point of this year's QB, this might be why the QB with the most arm talent hasn't necessarily won the job and why TB is in the mix, due to his RPO skills.

 

[seebell]

I know most of you don't go back and watch losses, but I'm a little different and I'll watch a loss up until they start showing the other team go into celebration mode.

I've been watching the 2021 NC game against Georgia. For context, we'd already lost Metchie in the big win against Georgia in the SECCG. Then we lost JW in the first half of the NC game.

At the half, we were leading 9-6. BY had over 200 yards in the first half and had outplayed Bennett. We were clearly dominating Georgia in every way, except the scoreboard. In hindsight, if we could have just put one TD on the board in that half we probably win the game depleted as we were!

Point is, BY played an amazing game despite having to adjust to throwing to Slade Bolden instead of JW. I know we gave Texas a hard time about "if Colt hadn't got hurt" but there's no question the loss of both Metchie and Williams totally changed the outcome of that game. It eventually "caught up to us" in the second half of the NC game.

This also should have been the game that indicated to CNS that we needed to be able to run the ball better in games like this. We only finished the game with 30 yards rushing to Georgia's 140. We rush the ball in the first half just a little better and we at least put 1 of those drives in the endzone.

Keeping this on the current point of this year's QB, this might be why the QB with the most arm talent hasn't necessarily won the job and why TB is in the mix, due to his RPO skills.

Didn't we also have 2 starting defensive backs out for the game?

 

[TideEngineer08]

Didn't we also have 2 starting defensive backs out for the game?

Yes we did.

BamaMoon makes a great point about where we stood at the half. But I also go back to the fact we led going into the 4th quarter, and we had the ball in plus territory on the final drive down one score when that pick 6 occurred.

We were an utterly depleted team at that point. Georgia was barely good enough to overcome that.

I think Georgia was a lot better last year than in 2021... but we didn't have our act together to be able to challenge them again.

I'm fully confident we've got the team to get back there this year, provided the topic of this thread bears out. QB has to come through.

 

[CoolBreeze]

Scout's view: Why Alabama QB Jalen Milroe bears watching

While I'm not officially stamping Alabama QB Jalen Milroe with a first-round NFL Draft grade, I am moving the redshirt sophomore to the top of my first-round watch list.

www.yardbarker.com

 

[CoolBreeze]

Notre Dame transfer Tyler Buchner still catching up in Alabama's QB battle

There’s plenty of “baking” time remaining, but one of the members of Alabama’s quarterback cake was late in the oven.

alabama.rivals.com

 

[CoachJeff]

Simpson seems to be the guy to me. UA put out some video of the 3 QBs throwing and Ty was throwing the ball as the guy was still in his break whereas Milroe was waiting until he had made his break and taken 3-4 steps. The transfer is a turnover machine, I don't trust him.

 

[BamaMoon]

Yes we did.

BamaMoon makes a great point about where we stood at the half. But I also go back to the fact we led going into the 4th quarter, and we had the ball in plus territory on the final drive down one score when that pick 6 occurred.

We were an utterly depleted team at that point. Georgia was barely good enough to overcome that.

I think Georgia was a lot better last year than in 2021... but we didn't have our act together to be able to challenge them again.

I'm fully confident we've got the team to get back there this year, provided the topic of this thread bears out. QB has to come through.

Yes, I agree about Georgia being better in 2022, but I think we were in '21. Not only did we shellack them in the SECCG, but we basically controlled the whole game until they went ahead at the end of the 3rd quarter and then as we retook the lead midway thru the fourth quarter.

And in retrospect, as was pointed out about our secondary, perhaps the crushing blow was the defensive back situation, which we did a great job to hide most of the game. But between the db deficiency, missing Metchie and Williamson and the inability to run the ball and get the ball into the endzone, it was just too much to overcome in the end.

You know, sometimes the best teams don't win. It might be an unpopular opinion, but when we beat Clemson for the 2015 title in the epic title game, they were probably the better team. We basically didn't have an answer to stop Watson. But between CNS amazing onside kick call and Drake's 95 yard return for a TD pushed us over the edge. Good thing because they scored another TD because we couldn't stop them.

We were probably better in '21, but sometimes things just don't line up and those injuries were just too big in the end.

 

[TideEngineer08]

Yes, I agree about Georgia being better in 2022, but I think we were in '21. Not only did we shellack them in the SECCG, but we basically controlled the whole game until they went ahead at the end of the 3rd quarter and then as we retook the lead midway thru the fourth quarter.

And in retrospect, as was pointed out about our secondary, perhaps the crushing blow was the defensive back situation, which we did a great job to hide most of the game. But between the db deficiency, missing Metchie and Williamson and the inability to run the ball and get the ball into the endzone, it was just too much to overcome in the end.

You know, sometimes the best teams don't win. It might be an unpopular opinion, but when we beat Clemson for the 2015 title in the epic title game, they were probably the better team. We basically didn't have an answer to stop Watson. But between CNS amazing onside kick call and Drake's 95 yard return for a TD pushed us over the edge. Good thing because they scored another TD because we couldn't stop them.

We were probably better in '21, but sometimes things just don't line up and those injuries were just too big in the end.

And I will always feel we were clearly better than Clemson the next season, and were perhaps one of the best teams of all time, at least on defense.

I agree we were better in 2021. Those are just the breaks.

 

[BamaMoon]

Simpson seems to be the guy to me. UA put out some video of the 3 QBs throwing and Ty was throwing the ball as the guy was still in his break whereas Milroe was waiting until he had made his break and taken 3-4 steps. The transfer is a turnover machine, I don't trust him.

As much as I would like to see Simpson win the gig, do you really think a 30 second video shows us anything?

I've tried to extrapolate from similar videos, but I really think it's more about what happens when the lights come on with a real defense in their face.