Trump Attempted Coup - Part VIII

[TexasBama]

Georgia Republican Says Trump Has “Moral Compass” of “Ax Murderer”

Former Georgia Lieutenant Governor Geoff Duncan tore into Donald Trump for his attempts to overturn the 2020 presidential election, slamming the former president as having the “moral compass” of an “ax murderer.”Trump surrendered to Georgia authorities last week on charges of felony racketeering...

www.yahoo.com

 

[TIDE-HSV]

So i may not be following this very well. But if it is self-executing then that means he has essentially nullified himself from holding office and no judicial determination is necessary? But someone still has to execute the constitutional amendment barring him holding office. Who is that? An outgoing President? The outgoing VP in the ceremonial counting of votes? The Chief Justice refusing to adminster the oath of office?

If Congress pardoned Confederates and reseated them to Congress, then that puts us with precedent overriding the Constitution. It's seems the whole intent of this group is to challenge the force and effect of the Constitution and putting people entrusted with fulfilling their Constitutional duties in untenable situations where their individual welfare and ethics are pushed to extreme risk. In this vein, this is just a continuation in finding the point of failure in our form of government.

Well, to both of you, I've never said there would never be a judicial determination. On the contrary, I think it will eventually be decided by the SCOTUS. However, in many states, the AG has the power to refuse Trump a spot on the ballot. Some Democratic AG is going to do that, based on the 14th. I'm not sure the suit mentioned will do it. I fear the court, either Supreme or a Circuit, will adjudge the matter to be moot and not ripe for review. However, a decision withholding the ballot from AG can't be ignored or side-slipped. Then, there will be judicial review...

 

[92tide]

Jan. 6 Rioter Who Repped Himself Held in Contempt of Court

Brandon Fellows, who accused the judge overseeing his trial of running a “kangaroo court,” was held in criminal contempt and sentenced to five months behind bars.

www.thedailybeast.com

5-months for his bad behavior in court.

 

[92tide]

they seem to lose a lot in court despite being totally innocent patriots

Giuliani liable for defaming Georgia election workers, judge rules

Donald Trump's former lawyer Rudy Giuliani is liable for defaming two Georgia election workers who were the target of vote-rigging conspiracy accusations following the 2020 U.S. presidential election, a U.S. judge in Washington ruled on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

 

[NationalTitles18]

 

[NationalTitles18]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/31/politics/proud-boys-biggs-sentencing/index.html

Proud Boys leader Joe Biggs sentenced to 17 years in January 6 case


A leader of the Proud Boys who led the far-right organization’s infamous march to the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, has been sentenced to 17 years in prison – among the longest sentences handed down yet for a convicted rioter.

Joe Biggs was convicted by a Washington, DC jury of several charges including seditious conspiracy for attempting to forcibly prevent the peaceful transfer of power from then-President Donald Trump to Joe Biden after the 2020 election.

“Our Constitution and laws give you so many important rights that Americans have fought and died for and that you yourself put on a uniform to defend,” District Judge Timothy Kelly said in handing down the sentence. “People around the world would give anything for these rights.”



But January 6, 2021, Kelly said, “broke our tradition of the peaceful transferring of power” in the United States.

“The nature of the constitutional moment we were in that day is something that is so sensitive that it deserves a significant sentence,” he said.

Prosecutors initially asked Kelly to sentence Biggs to 33 years in prison – nearly double the longest sentence a defendant has received related to the January 6, 2021 attack – arguing that Biggs and his codefendants “intentionally positioned themselves at the vanguard of political violence in this country” for years and on January 6, 2021 sought to “change the course of American history.”

But Kelly went significantly below that request, saying that he did not want to “minimize the violence that did occur” during the Capitol attack, but that he had to be conscious of what other people have been sentenced to for conduct related to January 6, 2021 as to not create large or unwarranted disparities.

The hefty sentence is the second longest sentence handed down for a defendant convicted as part of the Capitol attack. Oath Keeper leader and founder Stewart Rhodes has received the longest sentence of 18 years in prison.

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Keep in mind the contact between Trump himself and Roger Stone on Jan 5 when Stone was with these groups in DC.

 

[NationalTitles18]

 

[92tide]

A new Rudy scandal: FBI agent says Giuliani was co-opted by Russian intelligence

The whistleblower says his probe of Giuliani's ties to suspected Russian operatives was thwarted.

www.motherjones.com

But Buma’s allegations that FBI and Justice Department officials blocked his efforts to investigate these Giuliani activities and the work of suspected Russian agents who may have influenced the former New York City mayor could spark a new dust-up on Capitol Hill. As Republicans keep trying to gin up a controversy over the Bidens, Burisma, and other matters, Buma’s statement reinforces the case that this supposed Biden-Ukraine scandal was egged on or orchestrated by Russian intelligence. And it contradicts the narrative pushed by Trump and his defenders that the FBI and Justice Department have been in cahoots with Democrats.

 

[twofbyc]

Would we not need a court of law to determine he participated in an insurrection to disqualify him from holding office under the 14th amendment?

Good question. But as I understand the amendment (read only what’s been posted), if he “gave aid or comfort” to the insurrection it’s a slam dunk. Only question is if his online encouragement of those attending, and his exhortation to “fight like hell” qualify as aid or comfort.
I understand the English language pretty well; I cannot see how they don’t mean exactly that.

 

[AWRTR]

Good question. But as I understand the amendment (read only what’s been posted), if he “gave aid or comfort” to the insurrection it’s a slam dunk. Only question is if his online encouragement of those attending, and his exhortation to “fight like hell” qualify as aid or comfort.
I understand the English language pretty well; I cannot see how they don’t mean exactly that.

A court of law will determine it. Pretty much all legal scholars agree that the first ballot Trump is removed from he or the state party will sue and it will be sent directly to SCOTUS where they will determine how the process to disqualify a candidate should be carried out. Maybe they say that a Secretary of State can just remove anyone they determine is disqualified or maybe they will say that they have to be found guilty in a court. I have no idea what they will do, but a partisan hack SoS in a random state won’t do this alone. Personally I hope there is a process and he’s disqualified.

 

[NationalTitles18]

 

[TexasBama]

Proud Boy claims ‘Trump won’ after sobbing for mercy and receiving 10-year sentence: reports

Proud Boy Dominic Pezzola sobbed in a Washington, D.C., courtroom Friday as he asked a federal judge for leniency in his Jan. 6 sentence and vowed to stay out of politics in the future. However, af…

thehill.com

 

[92tide]

bumped into our atlanta defense attorney friend today. turns out he represented rudy for his bonding process. he has made a couple of filings for him, but says he is working strictly on a pay as you go arrangement.

 

[NationalTitles18]

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I agree with every word. It's basically what I've been trying to say, but he did it so much better!

 

[twofbyc]

Sad thing is, even the liars know that every word he spoke is true.
Maybe there are a few exceptions of Trump supporters who truly believe the lies (scary), but I think a large contingent qualify as flat out evil, as defined by every legitimate religion based on a “good” deity. Good vs evil is clearly defined in Christianity, and this behavior is not only unacceptable (for those who claim to be Christians), but if there is no admission and repentance, guarantees the perpetrators one way tickets to the “not good” place of their religion.
And they don’t care. Seems they are resigned to convince others that their wrongs are rights, or kill/enslave them in prisons. And I don’t know if those feeling will change when they start losing family members; they’ll likely view it as a necessary sacrifice.
How can anyone not recognize that as evil?

 

[AWRTR]

That was a really good interview. He said what I have said about this topic for weeks. This issue has to be adjudicated. SCOTUS will outline how section 3 will be enforced and what the standard is for determining who is disqualified. That is the proper way to do it. Federal authorities will have to weigh in on federal elections so things are uniform. Now someone has to remove him from the ballot in a state or, as I think has already happened, someone has to sue to remove him. The idea that random state or local elected officials would remove him with no federal oversight via the judiciary was ludicrous.

 

[NationalTitles18]

That was a really good interview. He said what I have said about this topic for weeks. This issue has to be adjudicated. SCOTUS will outline how section 3 will be enforced and what the standard is for determining who is disqualified. That is the proper way to do it. Federal authorities will have to weigh in on federal elections so things are uniform. Now someone has to remove him from the ballot in a state or, as I think has already happened, someone has to sue to remove him. The idea that random state or local elected officials would remove him with no federal oversight via the judiciary was ludicrous.

No one has questioned whether it will be adjudicated. It will be adjudicated because those with differing interests and views will adjudicate it.

That said, one need not wait until then to act if one has the power and duty to act even though it is known one action or another may go before the courts.

And once it gets to SCOTUS all bets are off.

SCOTUS could make a nationwide ruling in either direction or rule that each state may decide for itself.

The process is going to be messy.

 

[AWRTR]

Sad thing is, even the liars know that every word he spoke is true.
Maybe there are a few exceptions of Trump supporters who truly believe the lies (scary), but I think a large contingent qualify as flat out evil, as defined by every legitimate religion based on a “good” deity. Good vs evil is clearly defined in Christianity, and this behavior is not only unacceptable (for those who claim to be Christians), but if there is no admission and repentance, guarantees the perpetrators one way tickets to the “not good” place of their religion.
And they don’t care. Seems they are resigned to convince others that their wrongs are rights, or kill/enslave them in prisons. And I don’t know if those feeling will change when they start losing family members; they’ll likely view it as a necessary sacrifice.
How can anyone not recognize that as evil?

Ok I’m trying to follow this “post.” Who is being thrown in prison/killed? When will all this begin? Why are people losing family members that they apparently don’t care about?

 

[AWRTR]

No one has questioned whether it will be adjudicated. It will be adjudicated because those with differing interests and views will adjudicate it.

That said, one need not wait until then to act if one has the power and duty to act even though it is known one action or another may go before the courts.

And once it gets to SCOTUS all bets are off.

SCOTUS could make a nationwide ruling in either direction or rule that each state may decide for itself.

The process is going to be messy.

Oh no. There are people that have said the secretary’s of state or other equivalent election officials could just remove him. I know that wasn’t people with a brain, but just like some people are so obsessed with Trump and they will do anything to put him in power there are some that will do anything to see him not in power. The rule of law must stand and with people like the SoS of AZ hopefully it will.