Time for Saban to head off into the Sunset

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I used to laugh at these types of posts/comments in the past but now not so much. The past couple seasons this team has been routinely outcoached and undisciplined. Again last night they just looked unprepared for whatever reason. I don’t think Saban has lost his touch as much as his style isn’t cut out for this era. Players just don’t seem to want to listen to coaches much anymore and are just worried about NIL money and pro contracts. Player development has been a huge issue as our recruiting rankings are staying at #1 or #2 but that’s not translating to the field. There’s just a multitude of things going on that signals we are at the end of this era. Saban is no doubt the greatest to ever do it but it eventually passes everyone by.

What I’m afraid of is this Saban can stay as long as he wants attitude. I don’t want Alabama to go through what FSU did with Bowden. They still haven’t recovered from that extended farewell. I do think Nick steps away long before that happens.
The problem with this take is if this was the problem, every team would suffer from it. Then, the most talented team would win the vast majority of the time. This is not what is happening. For some reason, Alabama's top rated teams of all time are getting beat by less talented teams. Which means someone, is taking coaching better than our players. Who is? And why???
 
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That being said, none of us, none of us fans who have been spoiled these good many years past with the wins and national championships have the right or the temerity to even suggest its time for Coach to go. He has earned that right to make that decision.
He has a boss, and his boss has to make that decision, not Saban.
 
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Thank you! You absolutely nailed the situation. Too many are in the "Saban can stay as long as he wants camp" and that is NOT good for the long term health of the program. If we do an extended farewell like Florida State did with the late Bobby Bowden, it will hurt us, just like it has FSU.I love Saban. I appreciate everything he has ever done. I just can't bear (no pun intended) to watch the program regress. I also have to wonder, let's say that Saban started having Shula type seasons. Not 4-9 or 6-6, but what if he turns in a few 7-5 years. What will be the overall feeling then, even amongst the most ardent Saban supporters
When he has a 7-5 season we can have this conversation.
 
2015 ole miss was a far worse loss than this. We are not what we are going to be. Let’s see how this team responds. Remember what his daughter said last year. “Be careful what you wish for”. I went to Bama during the Shula years so I hope Saban coaches clear into the 30s. It’s a 12 team playoff starting next year- we’re good 👍🏻
That game was the first game I ever saw ALABAMA play in Tuscaloosa or anywhere else for that matter . I’ll never forget it .
 
I kinda of mentioned this on another thread, but most can agree that Bama is not the same team when it comes to dictating the LoS as was in years past. Saban is not the same coach as in years past. He is still the GOAT, still able to win championships, and still the best in the game. However, he has mellowed. That is fine as long as your surround yourself with some dudes that are anything but mellow. I do not think he is complacent, by any means. However, when you really think about the point that we were no longer Big Bad Bama, it seems to hinge on lack of physicality and inability to make their fannies quit in the second half. I trace this back to when Cochran left. The further we get from that point, the more glaringly obvious it becomes. I think Saban has more championships to win, but when is the last time you saw a "We want Bama sign" and heard commentators say, "Be careful what you wish for."

I disagree emphatically with Saban on one point, emotion is very important. Getting "right" is very important. It is part of winning culture. I remember listening to the locker room "talk" before the 2009 contest with Texas. It wasn't just Rolando setting the tone, either. CNS was yelling, "If it is important to you, you can't set still, you have to move." I guess we will see if this edition of Alabama, coaches and players, heed that directive. Emotion was important then. It is something that seems to be missing now. This is not a shot at the current S&C coaches. But somebody has to set the tone. Football is not a white collar sport. There has to be a neanderthal somewhere on the sidelines.

We had success with the cute modern offenses at the expense of sacrificing imposing our will physically. We won, so it worked. That is fine if you have Jalen/Tua/Mac/Bryce in your locker room year after year. We do not. The blueprint for the Dynasty has been copied and is currently being used to try to 3 peat. There is a lot of mention of Coach Bryant adapting to maintain success. Saban has already done that once, let's see if he can do it again, because something has to change. I hope with every fiber of my being that he does. I think he will because what other choice do I have. I want to see him retire with a couple of more NCs and talking heads thinking back on when everyone said the game had passed him by. We will see, I guess.
 
Exactly. People who say "he can stay as long as he wants" and "it's up to Saban when to retire" seem to have forgotten that he isn't THE final authority. He has an AD and a president the he answers to
You are missing the point, or refuse to get it. Do you think the ‘Final Authority’ will fire the man after another 10-2 , or a 9-3 season? Heck after an 8-4 season? There is no way regardless of how you feel about it. I’ll bet after a season or two like that Nick will fire himself. That’s what those people are saying. It’s fans that think going 8-4 occasionally is reason to fire a coach , especially a legend , that is doing just as much damage to college football as the transfer portal and out of control NIL.
 
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Nobody was going to fire Paul Bryant in 1982 after going 7-4 and losing to the barn. But he knew it was time to go. Obviously, he didn’t know he was about to die but he knew he wasn’t well. (The doctors may have told him he was terminal).

Thankfully, Saban’s health is much better. But I think he will hang it up before things get too bad. (We aren’t nearly to that point yet).

And the only authority who is going to fire him is Terry Saban.
 
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Nobody was going to fire Paul Bryant in 1982 after going 7-4 and losing to the barn. But he knew it was time to go. Obviously, he didn’t know he was about to die but he knew he wasn’t well. (The doctors may have told him he was terminal).

Thankfully, Saban’s health is much better. But I think he will hang it up before things get too bad. (We aren’t nearly to that point yet).

And the only authority who is going to fire him is Terry Saban.
Maybe, but if Byrne isn't prepared to do it, then he needs to go.
 
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The problem with this take is if this was the problem, every team would suffer from it. Then, the most talented team would win the vast majority of the time. This is not what is happening. For some reason, Alabama's top rated teams of all time are getting beat by less talented teams. Which means someone, is taking coaching better than our players. Who is? And why???

What do you mean? What I’m saying is Nick’s structure and discipline approach just isn’t that productive anymore. We’re in an era where the player has the power. That’s why he’s gotten so soft. If you’re too mean to a kid he just tears up and leaves. What can you do?
 
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You are missing the point, or refuse to get it. Do you think the ‘Final Authority’ will fire the man after another 10-2 , or a 9-3 season? Heck after an 8-4 season? There is no way regardless of how you feel about it. I’ll bet after a season or two like that Nick will fire himself. That’s what those people are saying. It’s fans that think going 8-4 occasionally is reason to fire a coach , especially a legend , that is doing just as much damage to college football as the transfer portal and out of control NIL.
We've ridden high for so long, 10-2 feels like 7-5 and 8-4 would feel like a sub .500 season LOL
 
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Different time from when? I've coached High school football for over 10 years and kids are still the same now as they've always been. Times are no different, what's different is the leadership on this team.
Not on twitter nor do I understand any of it. If this post is real, IMO he needs to go.
 
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You are missing the point, or refuse to get it. Do you think the ‘Final Authority’ will fire the man after another 10-2 , or a 9-3 season? Heck after an 8-4 season? There is no way regardless of how you feel about it. I’ll bet after a season or two like that Nick will fire himself. That’s what those people are saying. It’s fans that think going 8-4 occasionally is reason to fire a coach , especially a legend , that is doing just as much damage to college football as the transfer portal and out of control NIL.
Bobby Bowden and any other coaches I know of didn't call up their respective President and say I has become difficult for me to work the hours that I once did or I have made so much money doing this that my family, other business activities, tax issues, public relations activities and tv interviews take a huge amount of my time. Instead they went on because earning millions per year is an awfully attractive inducement to cover potential bad investment decisions. You can choose what of that may apply at Alabama if any.
 
some of yall are really trying to JoePa or Bowden the program.

What comes first? the coach? or the long term success of the program?

the point is.....Father Time is undefeated. No one is saying "Fahr Sabin" (at least not that I've seen). And Coach Saban, as the GOAT, as more than earned the right to try to keep up and catch up. But Coach Byrne HAS to be looking past next week. Coach Byrne's job is to keep the integrity of the entire Athletic Department.

We're setting records the WRONG direction lately. And they all speak to poor preparation and coaching. You can't deny this.
 
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