As I have told my son, sometimes you not only have to be better than the opponent, sometimes you also have to be better than the refs.
Bama/Ole Miss ref mistake
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The thing is, Milroe was protesting this as he walked off the field. He knew what down it was supposed to be...
I agree 100% with the last two paragraphs. And I’ll add that so long as it’s Alabama that gets the shaft, the SEC office will be like Sergeant Schultz  see noTINK, hear noTINK, say noTINK.
I see it differently on the first two.
The down count is a critical component of the play calling decision. If the coaches don’t know what down it is, they’ll be vulnerable to calling a play that is wholly unsuited to the correct down and distance.
The coaches, especially the play caller, should always know what down it is.
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Good points, for sure.
Y'all have helped me see it in a different light. It's still incredibly frustrating to see such incompetence tolerated by the SEC. It makes one think that is the actual goal.
Give them a bit of credit though. They've avoided the Big Ten all these years and those folks actually do not even know the meaning of numbers at all.
I think where I differ on this is “functionality†by the crew. If the form and function (process) is for the official spotting the ball to signal the down after marking the ball, that is where my attention is going to be directed as a coach. According to CNS, this didn’t happen. You complicate it even further when the officials moving the chains didn’t move until after the “assumed 3rd and inches sneak†and the side judge comes in and signals “2nd downâ€Â.
If I’m looking at the ball being spotted for a signal and don’t see a clear indication of a first down, then look across and see chains haven’t moved with the awarding of a first down, then my assumption would be it is a third down. And we operated as such because we moved to “hurry up†mode for the “sneak†to gain a possible “out of position†advantage, which many others do in a similar situation.
So IMO, at the very least the SEC Office - Officiating should, make a statement concerning the proper “processâ€Â. Did someone actually clearly indicate it was a first down and our coaching staff “miss itâ€Â? Why did the chain gang not move until after the play was run? Clearly they didn’t know it was a first down.
IMO there was without question a communication issue between everyone here and the SEC Office should address it publicly.
My major point: if our coaches screwed up and missed it, I want to know. If the crew’s normal process wasn’t followed leading to the confusion, I want to know that as well.
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One other thought on why the SEC Office should address it due to the clock changes this year. We now have essentially the NFL clock except during the last two minutes of a half.
In years past, with a first down, the clock would stop, the ball would be spotted, the chains moved and clock restarted. In other words, time for everyone to kind of “get on the same pageâ€Â.
If you watch an NFL game, the side judge closest to the chain gang clearly indicates to the crew to “move the chains†when the first down is achieved because the clock remains live.
What I believe happened in our game is that the side judge closest to the chain gang never clearly communicated “first down†and for them move the chains. They stayed in place because they thought it was third down as well.
I just think the SEC office should at the very least make a statement.
In years past, with a first down, the clock would stop, the ball would be spotted, the chains moved and clock restarted. In other words, time for everyone to kind of “get on the same pageâ€Â.
If you watch an NFL game, the side judge closest to the chain gang clearly indicates to the crew to “move the chains†when the first down is achieved because the clock remains live.
What I believe happened in our game is that the side judge closest to the chain gang never clearly communicated “first down†and for them move the chains. They stayed in place because they thought it was third down as well.
I just think the SEC office should at the very least make a statement.
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It seems that some people aren't clear as to what actually happened, as we technically didn't lose a down - though we effectively did.
From my understanding, here's what happened...
We got enough yardage to get a first down on a second down but it was originally determined - and the chains were set - as if it were third and short. The Referee realized the mistake and signaled first down but the down markers didn't get moved (corrected) before we ran a QB sneak on what we thought was a third and short, giving us a 2nd and long on the next play. The down and distance markers were then correctly moved to indicate that it was 2nd and long.
The mistake that was made by the Referee was not stopping play to explain the mistake they made with the down and distance markers - which was his responsibility.
Had we known it was 1st and 10 we wouldn't have run a QB sneak, so that is where we effectively lost a down even though we technically didn't lose one...
From my understanding, here's what happened...
We got enough yardage to get a first down on a second down but it was originally determined - and the chains were set - as if it were third and short. The Referee realized the mistake and signaled first down but the down markers didn't get moved (corrected) before we ran a QB sneak on what we thought was a third and short, giving us a 2nd and long on the next play. The down and distance markers were then correctly moved to indicate that it was 2nd and long.
The mistake that was made by the Referee was not stopping play to explain the mistake they made with the down and distance markers - which was his responsibility.
Had we known it was 1st and 10 we wouldn't have run a QB sneak, so that is where we effectively lost a down even though we technically didn't lose one...
I never actually saw anyone signal first down. Is there a replay that shows that? Was it done in such a manner that nobody SHOULD have missed it?
BoB would have run a QB sneak on 1st and goal from the 10.
Yes, I think he is that stupid.
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This was my "Ugly" answer to the GBU thread last week. SEC officiating is atrocious but the guys and gals on SoonerFans make a compelling case that Big XII crews are even worse.
Both coordinators make their play calls based on down and distance. People get paid to know that info.
Exactly. The Alabama sideline shouldn’t have had to “catch†it. The Referee has to stop play in order to get his crew (including the ones working the down and distance markers) on the same page. Play calls (both offensively and defensively) are based on the down and distance.
The biggest failure was the referee not “resetting†everything with a simple stoppage of play.
To try to catch the QB off guard on the QB sneak. It's situational football that has already been discussed. At leas TR thought it was 3rd down or the play would not have been called.
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