Thoughts on QB situation after Game 5?

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Members of the team said it's not rare that they have a team meeting. I assume that some or many are just not reported. The couple of player comments that I saw about the QBs was that they fully supported whoever the QB was. Ridiculous conspiracy theories have sprung up based simply on rumors, but they found a ready audience among those whose favorite was not chosen. (Maybe what's really happening is that Seth is sabotaging JM like he did Bryce last year. Did he deliver any bad snaps to TS or were they all on the money? That's the real question - right?)

What Saban has frequently said over the years is that "the QB needs to win the team". I assume that is only one consideration, though a major one, that Saban uses as input into his final decision. I don't think the team "chooses the QB". Neither do I believe that the team laid down on Buchner or Simpson. They were playing an inferior opponent and for typical reasons were not up for the game, but mainly, though improving, they just are not great in pass pro. Also, USF had some small quick pass rushers that were a real problem. The same OL issues that Milroe had faced were evident for TB and TS. Buchner actually processed the info quickly and got the ball out quickly but mostly threw very poor passes and a couple of pathetic ones. It was a remarkable display that I did not see in the SC game, though he had other problems in that one.

OTOH, though much better thrower, TS just could not process info quickly enough to get the ball out, nor did he have good pocket presence (that can change like it has with JM, whose poise in the pocket was terrible last year and though still not great, it has improved dramatically). Sometimes he had little time to throw, other times he had enough time but just seemed to freeze. Also, his athleticism was not as good as I had expected - just OK. He threw 2 good passes, 45 and 14 yds and threw 7 other passes, hitting 3 dump-offs or short passes for a total of 14 yds. He also hit a nice slant vs MTSU. That is a small sample size, so IMO, it's unfair to make an overall judgment on him. Some saw promise and others, me included, saw little to think he should unseat JM at this point.

But if the coaches had chosen him that would be fine with me, though I thought JM looked better from what I had seen, warts and all, some of which he still has. (JM has improved in other areas, especially hitting a number of intermediate passes, which he has done all along, though some insist they haven't seen them. But it's clear he has. He was 5-5 vs MSU on intermediate throws. Also, he scans the field now. True, he's still not quick but he's getting quicker. He's always stayed in the pocket some, as well as occasionally even climbing the pocket.)

Other than Haynes, this Alabama team only has decent RBs. Nothing special, though Jase is smart and has good top-end speed. But they are JAG type RBs. So, having a player like Milroe to supplement the OK running game with a long-ball running threat and a good deep ball threat is a needed component in this offense that TB nor TS are able to provide.

If JM flops (flopping doesn't mean making a mistake - Tua, Mac, Bryce, Tom Brady made them every game) at some point and CNS wants to go with someone else, fine with me. I just want to support whoever is the Bama QB and not nitpick every conceivable perceived shortcoming. Coker, with Henry, Ridley, Stewart and a Moore award winning OL) held the ball too long and threw ints at a rate in the same ballpark as JM (2.0 vs 3.4, which will likely improve by year end). There was the occasional grumbling but nothing compared to the vitriol (not all critics are vitriolic) that has been leveled by some fans towards JM.

Let's see here.....
- People are making up ridiculous conspiracy theories that have no basis in reality because their favorite QB wasn't chosen as the starter? Almost stopped reading there, but I was intrigued.

- The team played poorly vs USF because it was vs an inferior opponent? Buchner processed things quickly but just made poor throws? We must have been watching different games.

- Milroe's pocket poise has improved dramatically? But when I think Simpson is the guy based on what I've seen, I'm the one that's basically seeing what I want to see? Ok.

- So Haynes should be getting more playing time? I'm curious, what have you seen that says he's the stud of the RB corp? Recruiting rankings?

- Coker comparisons with Milroe? Coker had Derrick Henry in the backfield....and Kenyan Drake. According to what I've read, we barely have serviceable RB's now. Milroe supplements this average running game with his own running threat and long ball threat? That doesn't really work if teams are stacking the box and daring him to throw under pressure......where he has a tendency to panic. There is no hot route.

But hey, this is what makes this board fun, discussion and different opinions. Lets hope Milroe shows out Saturday.
 
I’m just saying that JM, whether flushed or part of planned rollout, can’t make that throw back across the middle. He got away with on the throw to Niblack on Saturday night. Certainly in planned rollout there should not be a read to back half of the field.
That throw was a dangerous throw and a most likely would have been intercepted by a good defense.
I agree as a general principle, but JM did not just blindly whirl and throw, none of the MSU players had a shot at an interception, IMO, it was just a good play by JM.
 
I agree with most posters on Milroe's abilities and his development as a QB. I do think he has shown marginal improvement, but IMO not enough to beat TAMU. The Aggies are going to force Milroe to beat them throwing which should be a sure fire recipe for a win. I do hope I am overestimating TAMU, but they presently look to be the best in the West.
The best thing we have going for us, is that I don't think Max Johnson can beat us. Hopefully that offsets any bad performance from Milroe. Not high on Milroe, but I would take him over Max Johnson any day of the week. I feel much better about this game without Wiegman. We have the best defense in the country, and Max Johnson won't be able to handle it
 
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Since the title is "Thoughts on the QB situation through game 5" without any real framework on what that means, I'll put this out there.

One of my thoughts is "How is our current quarterback and offensive situation going to impact recruiting?" Our offense, though improved, has HAD TO look horribly inadequate and unattractive for a lot of potential offensive skill players. I'm a bit concerned the putting pen to paper day to take someone's verbal commitment to an official commitment, we may see a lot of "thanks, but no thanks" from players we wanted.
 
I can see where that would be a tempting theory, but I don't really believe that's it. I think he sees just fine. I think it's processor speed. Understand, this is not a remark about general intelligence. He's obviously a bright articulate guy. It's football processor speed. Bryce Young was ultra fast, maybe the fastest I've ever seen. Nobody's processor works very fast if they're overwhelmed and in a panic mode, as he was against UT. That's when mind-numbing mistakes occur. "Seeing" a safety nearby a target and processing what that means to the pass are two different animals. Anyway, that's my theory, explained badly...
Having attempted to play a bit of QB I can see where if one doesn't focus on their keys it appears to be a mass of people moving rapidly in all directions sort of like the subway in NY during rush hour. The phenomenon I noted when facing pressure JM's feet appear to slow down. Frozen in indecision. That of course is subject to debate. In any event it is difficult to understand in a program of this magnitude why there isn't a full time QB Coach and a sports phychologist to help players improve their thought process in high pressure situations. It will be very interesting to see where Milroe progresses to by the Auburn game.
 
The thing that really stings is we could have won the last two seasons with Bryce and the improvements the defense has made. We squandered two years of exceptional QB play and now this season that’s one of our weaknesses.
Pete Golding is probably what cost CNS from winning at least 1 National Championship over the last 2 years. Even with BoB as OC the last 2 years. Then again, CNS has some blame in it also.
 
Since the title is "Thoughts on the QB situation through game 5" without any real framework on what that means, I'll put this out there.

One of my thoughts is "How is our current quarterback and offensive situation going to impact recruiting?" Our offense, though improved, has HAD TO look horribly inadequate and unattractive for a lot of potential offensive skill players. I'm a bit concerned the putting pen to paper day to take someone's verbal commitment to an official commitment, we may see a lot of "thanks, but no thanks" from players we wanted.

I imagine if Jalen doesn't improve, or Rees isn't the right fit, then both will go elsewhere. Recruits know Sayin is coming in and they see Simpson (possibly) and Lonergan on the roster. If Jalen does continue to improve, then he may go to NFL or he may transfer anyway as a graduate transfer. I'm not sure if Saban will get a QB from the transfer portal, but if he does, he should probably start looking in December. It will certainly be an interesting off-season for the QB position. I just hope players such as Justice Haynes and others don't transfer due to lack of playing time. I really hope Justice and some others get more playing time in the next few games. He can be a starter next season.
 
Pete Golding is probably what cost CNS from winning at least 1 National Championship over the last 2 years. Even with BoB as OC the last 2 years. Then again, CNS has some blame in it also.
Golding was my least fav coach of the Saban era but Bryce’s first year as a starter was derailed bc of two critical wr injuries. Without those guys out we smoke uga by 3+ scores. The d had rounded into a capable unit and that progression was the only reason Golding got another year imo
 
Golding was my least fav coach of the Saban era but Bryce’s first year as a starter was derailed bc of two critical wr injuries. Without those guys out we smoke uga by 3+ scores. The d had rounded into a capable unit and that progression was the only reason Golding got another year imo
I can agree with this.
 
I imagine if Jalen doesn't improve, or Rees isn't the right fit, then both will go elsewhere. Recruits know Sayin is coming in and they see Simpson (possibly) and Lonergan on the roster. If Jalen does continue to improve, then he may go to NFL or he may transfer anyway as a graduate transfer. I'm not sure if Saban will get a QB from the transfer portal, but if he does, he should probably start looking in December. It will certainly be an interesting off-season for the QB position. I just hope players such as Justice Haynes and others don't transfer due to lack of playing time. I really hope Justice and some others get more playing time in the next few games. He can be a starter next season.

I’ve seen Sayin play, and I will admit, he looks very impressive. And I certainly hope he rolls into spring practice and performs so well that the locks up the #1 role. But just remember, there is big step up from high school to power 5 football the same as moving from college to the NFL. It’s a bunch of pressure to just come in and compete as a freshman. I just hesitate to add to those expectations for 17 or 18 year kid.

I think we’d had similar expectations with Simpson, Barnett, Bateman among others all the way back to Phillip Sims. Not predicting the same with Julian, but it does happen.

I certainly hope Lonergan continues to progress as we move into next year. I don’t see Simpson hanging around. But if I was Saban I would be looking to the portal for the best, proven QB available.
 
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Pete Golding is probably what cost CNS from winning at least 1 National Championship over the last 2 years. Even with BoB as OC the last 2 years. Then again, CNS has some blame in it also.
Golding issues notwithstanding, that 2021 NC was ours had JWill and Metchie been able to play and healthy in the last game. That alone was the difference. Also, while it would have been really nice if Kiffin hadn't abandoned the post season preparation in 2016, we did give up 35 points and a horrible game ending drive to Clemson.
 
Golding issues notwithstanding, that 2021 NC was ours had JWill and Metchie been able to play and healthy in the last game. That alone was the difference. Also, while it would have been really nice if Kiffin hadn't abandoned the post season preparation in 2016, we did give up 35 points and a horrible game ending drive to Clemson.

That Clemson, game ending drive rested squarely on our offense not being able to convert 3rd downs throughout the game. Clemson ran 99 plays that night, our guys were gassed beyond belief. If we could have converted just a few more 3rd downs that game, we win. If Bo doesn't go down with a broken leg, we win. That D held on as long as it could.
 
Since the title is "Thoughts on the QB situation through game 5" without any real framework on what that means, I'll put this out there.

One of my thoughts is "How is our current quarterback and offensive situation going to impact recruiting?" Our offense, though improved, has HAD TO look horribly inadequate and unattractive for a lot of potential offensive skill players. I'm a bit concerned the putting pen to paper day to take someone's verbal commitment to an official commitment, we may see a lot of "thanks, but no thanks" from players we wanted.

I just don’t see any of our current 3 staying barring a national championship. Rees is going to be here next year or someone with the same type of offense. Milroe will most likely go to a place that is better for his talents and style. I just don’t see him risking losing his job to Sayin, Holstein, or Lonergan and having to ride the bench. All 3 will have guaranteed serious opportunities going into 2024. Sayin especially….

Again that could change if we were to win the nc or make a serious run.
 
I just don’t see any of our current 3 staying barring a national championship. Rees is going to be here next year or someone with the same type of offense. Milroe will most likely go to a place that is better for his talents and style. I just don’t see him risking losing his job to Sayin, Holstein, or Lonergan and having to ride the bench. All 3 will have guaranteed serious opportunities going into 2024. Sayin especially….

Again that could change if we were to win the nc or make a serious run.

I imagine Milroe would do really well as QB at a Group of 5 school, but I'm sure that's probably not a popular opinion here. Simpson, no idea where he will go, but I don't expect him to stay either.
 
Earle is right. It's like Milroe is processing at i-3 processor when Bryce Young was i-5 processor. Both works just fine, it just take Milroe little longer to process the defense. He will get better at this.

Rollout isn't the answer. Just do what Miami did. Stretch TAMU defense. Find mismatch. Force them to use 3 or man rush.
As an IT guy, I’m half-tempted to report this post…

i-5 processor…good God
 
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