Milroe on the incomplete pass at the end of the game

[BamaMoon]

OK, I just went back and watched the replay. After the 3 and 7 completion from JM to JM, 25 seconds (timed it with a stop watch) elapse before we snap the next play - the JM one hopper.

I don't think JM was trying to "hurry up" to snap the ball. I think think we were simply lining up for the next called run play and he saw Benson was uncovered and that's why he rushed the snap and subsequent throw.

If we are just trying to "rush" to beat a replay, surely we don't wait 25 seconds. If so, add that to the list of things to iron out!

 

[Tidetwin]

OK, I just went back and watched the replay. After the 3 and 7 completion from JM to JM, 25 seconds (timed it with a stop watch) elapse before we snap the next play - the JM one hopper.

I don't think JM was trying to "hurry up" to snap the ball. I think think we were simply lining up for the next called run play and he saw Benson was uncovered and that's why he rushed the snap and subsequent throw.

If we are just trying to "rush" to beat a replay, surely we don't wait 25 seconds. If so, add that to the list of things to iron out!
The pass was a bone-headed play. Players make them and hopefully learn from the experience. My biggest qualm with the final sequence, assuming the game was over, was why we ran the last 3 plays in shotgun formation instead of behind center. Seth had a better game snapping the ball but the chances of a bad snap or a botched handoff were still there. I’ve yet to see an explanation.

 

[Tidetwin]

OK, I just went back and watched the replay. After the 3 and 7 completion from JM to JM, 25 seconds (timed it with a stop watch) elapse before we snap the next play - the JM one hopper.

I don't think JM was trying to "hurry up" to snap the ball. I think think we were simply lining up for the next called run play and he saw Benson was uncovered and that's why he rushed the snap and subsequent throw.

If we are just trying to "rush" to beat a replay, surely we don't wait 25 seconds. If so, add that to the list of things to iron out!

The pass was a bone-headed play. Players make them and hopefully learn from the experience. My biggest qualm with the final sequence, assuming the game was over, was why we ran the last 3 plays in shotgun formation instead of behind center. Seth had a better game snapping the ball but the chances of a bad snap or a botched handoff were still there. I’ve yet to see an explanation.

 

[Cruloc]

The pass was a bone-headed play. Players make them and hopefully learn from the experience. My biggest qualm with the final sequence, assuming the game was over, was why we ran the last 3 plays in shotgun formation instead of behind center. Seth had a better game snapping the ball but the chances of a bad snap or a botched handoff were still there. I’ve yet to see an explanation.

That's modern NCAA offenses.....saw the same thing in the Ole Miss-Arkansas game. Jaxson Dart took a shotgun snap, trotted forward and took a knee behind the center.

I don't think the QB under center is even practiced anymore unless they are practicing a tush push play.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

No need to rush. You can bet if the replay booth thought for one second that they could have gotten away with calling Jase down before the next snap the refs would have stopped the play and reversed it. Jase was clearly not down in the replay.

You have a lot more faith in SEC officials than l do.

 

[Con]

The pass was a bone-headed play. Players make them and hopefully learn from the experience. My biggest qualm with the final sequence, assuming the game was over, was why we ran the last 3 plays in shotgun formation instead of behind center. Seth had a better game snapping the ball but the chances of a bad snap or a botched handoff were still there. I’ve yet to see an explanation.

One possible explanation could be if he fumbles the snap under center, the defensive lineman could get on the ball easier than if the ball sails over the QB's head. The QB/RB would have a head start to get to the ball in that scenario. All we would do is lose yards vs. losing the ball.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I appreciate the fact that Milroe stood up and owned it. While it was still boneheaded, at least there's a context that makes some sense to it.

And by the way, superstars make bonehead plays from time to time, so if Jalen learns from this then great. a superstar for the Phillies made a boneheaded bass running move that ended the ball game last night. He's still a good player.

One thing I can say is at least the development of Jalen seems to be headed in the right direction. The only question is going to be whether it's too late or not to salvage this particular season.

 

[bamadwain]

I appreciate the fact that Milroe stood up and owned it. While it was still boneheaded, at least there's a context that makes some sense to it.

And by the way, superstars make bonehead plays from time to time, so if Jalen learns from this then great. a superstar for the Phillies made a boneheaded bass running move that ended the ball game last night. He's still a good player.

One thing I can say is at least the development of Jalen seems to be headed in the right direction. The only question is going to be whether it's too late or not to salvage this particular season.

And it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy last night, Go Braves

 

[OakMtn4Bama]

GMac's theory on Jox was that on every single play the QB looks outside to see if a receiver is uncovered. The coaches pound it in that the QB should abandon the called play no matter what it is and flip it out to the receiver. GMac said it looked like JM saw the open receiver, reacted on instinct then half way through the throw realized that he had made a mistake and flubbed the pass. Sounds possible.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

The pass was a bone-headed play. Players make them and hopefully learn from the experience. My biggest qualm with the final sequence, assuming the game was over, was why we ran the last 3 plays in shotgun formation instead of behind center. Seth had a better game snapping the ball but the chances of a bad snap or a botched handoff were still there. I’ve yet to see an explanation.

We don't go under center very often. Some say under center snaps are actually harder than shotgun especially if you don't practice. So, there might actually be a higher chance of a mismanaged snap if we went under center.

 

[Padreruf]

I agree, there is a ton going on.
I'm sure he is coached that if a Bama receiver i lined up and there is no DB outside the hash to cover him, it is an automatic audible. You get him the ball. In a normal game situation.
One-hopping the ball to a wide-open receiver, however, is not acceptable, under any situation. If he throws a catchable ball and the receiver picks up ten useless yards, but keeps the clock running, not many would care about this play.

I still do not understand why CNS did not call time out and get everyone on the same page. Oh well...worked out better than Miami!!

 

[Bama9001]

Truth is that we'd expect any good high school QB to understand the situation. Having situational awareness and being able to make quick decisions are fundamental to the position. It didn't cost us but the next time it might. Otherwise, JM played a pretty darn good game.

I enjoyed the win so much I'm giving everyone a pass, but CNS might not be so charitable.

 

[AWRTR]

Truth is that we'd expect any good high school QB to understand the situation. Having situational awareness and being able to make quick decisions are fundamental to the position. It didn't cost us but the next time it might. Otherwise, JM played a pretty darn good game.

I enjoyed the win so much I'm giving everyone a pass, but CNS might not be so charitable.

It didn't cost the team, and after listening to JM speak about it I'm sure it will never happen again. It was the best outcome from a situation like that. It didn't bite the team in the butt, and JM learned a valuable lesson he won't forget.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

Jase’s knee down? Are we talking about when he picked up the 3 and 7… they showed it multiple times and when he secured the ball both knees were off the ground. As to the throw it was a bad throw but it wasn’t a dumb move. No one was covering 11 if the throw was better we win by 13 not 6. Now the smart move was to take a knee and kill the clock. But there was no doubt Jase picked up the first down.

You saw that, I saw that, but what matters is what the ref "sees"...

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

I still do not understand why CNS did not call time out and get everyone on the same page. Oh well...worked out better than Miami!!

To avoid the video review...

 

[TitleWave]

We don't go under center very often. Some say under center snaps are actually harder than shotgun especially if you don't practice. So, there might actually be a higher chance of a mismanaged snap if we went under center.

...Whereas if there was a(nother [yet another]) false start on a bad shotgun snap, and a recovery by Texas 4&8, it wouldn't have stood. But in ordinary circumstances and from that day forward 'Bama should go Victory formation under center, with the QB retreating 3-4 yards before s-l-o-w-l-y taking a knee on each clock-killing play.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I still do not understand why CNS did not call time out and get everyone on the same page. Oh well...worked out better than Miami!!

1) to not stop the clock
2) to avoid the review


i've been on Jaylin's side even since the play happened as far as there might be a context missing, even though it was still clearly wrong.

He could've taken a quick snap and downed right then and they couldn't have done a review anyway.

That being said, coach Saban has had trouble through the years managing the clock at the end of the half. we've just gotten away with it because it's usually the first half, and he has yet to have a Les-level blunder

 

[rolltide_21]

I thought he was going to run backwards and then take a knee. I thought TAMU would get the ball back with :01 on the clock. Wouldnt have mattered but thought for sure those officials were going to put it back on the board.

 

[BhamToTexas]

So he says he should have handed the ball off, so a running play was called, and he then made a bad decision to throw it.

Why was a run play called in the first place? We didn’t really rush to the line quickly. A kneel play should have been called.

 

[mlh]

GMac's theory on Jox was that on every single play the QB looks outside to see if a receiver is uncovered. The coaches pound it in that the QB should abandon the called play no matter what it is and flip it out to the receiver. GMac said it looked like JM saw the open receiver, reacted on instinct then half way through the throw realized that he had made a mistake and flubbed the pass. Sounds possible.

I heard GMac talking about this. He went on to say that the kids today don't "know the game" like the guys he played with. They don't know the fundamentals of the game. They don't have situational awareness. They are in a sense "over coached" on how to respond to specific keys without knowing why they should respond that way.