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Michigan Under Investigation For Sign Stealing

4Q Basket Case said:
If the FBI is really investigating potential hacking, and finds that it happened to one or more state-owned computer(s), whoever did it is looking at some no-foolin' prison time.
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It's 100% confirmed that he FBI is on campus investigating former Michigan coach Matt Weiss for "unauthorized computer access crimes" at UM's football building.
 
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Ole Man Dan said:
I think the NCAA and Michigan to a lesser extent all know that if they dig into that 'Cow Pattie' they are going to find more...
One of these days someone will say...
'I don't care if they are Michigan, enough is enough'
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Thing is, it's hard for me to actually root for the side of the NZAA, because they were such shameless hypocrites for so long.

I don't know if most folks know this detail of history, but it's worth noting how the NZAA became powerful, which is more sleazy than anything Michigan is known (at this point) to have actually done.

Basically, a bunch of fearmongers looked at the STADIUM ATTENDANCE drop in CFB from 1949 to 1950 (about 6%) and also noticed the biggest drop (over 15%) was in the states with the most TV sets (the Mid-Atlantic and also a 28% drop in one year in New England). These heads of universities and powerbrokers - who at the time formed what was loosely known as the NZAA (not really organized yet) - drew the "obvious conclusion" from this that fans of, say, Maryland were staying home and not attending games at the school because, well, they were getting their football fix at home by watching teams not named Maryland play games.

This - to me - is one of the most ludicrous statements of faith ever given, but almost everybody believed it. In fact, they still believed this nonsense well into the late 1980s.

The conferences all pooled their opinions together to help modernize the NZAA, but they had a problem.

Penn (the Ivy League one) had been broadcasting games locally for over ten years. And their AD tried two tracks with the group meeting they had: 1) TV could be our great ally by making more people care about the sport; 2) uh, you agreeing together to not televise games is probably a violation of the Sherman Antitrust law.

When Penn proposed to sue on antitrust grounds, the other NZAA schools all ganged up on them and said they'd boycott games with them - EVEN THOUGH PENN OFFERED TO SHARE TV MONEY WITH THEM!!!! Penn informed the NZAA they were suing and - in minutes - the NZAA fired off telegrams and notified the networks that "Penn is not a member in good standing" and began demanding that the good members cancel their games.

At the exact same time, Notre Dame cut a deal with a network and told the NZAA where they could stick it.


But you want to hear the WORST part and why the NZAA ain't nothing but a Mafia group?

Out of one side of their mouths, their condemned this whole thing by Penn and Notre Dame.
Out the other - they told Notre Dame that the NZAA got 60% of the proceeds if the Irish did it.

Both Penn and Notre Dame decided it wasn't worth the risk and folded - and because of that, the NZAA spent the next three decades telling teams how often they could be on TV. And then they accumulated power they didn't have and threw their weight around.

So while Michigan may be pondscum, they're still better than the four-letter word.
 
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4Q Basket Case said:
If just half of that stuff is actually true, it's horrible for Michigan, Harbaugh, the AD, and a whole bunch of footsoldiers. It could even take down the president of the University.

I thought two claims were most interesting -- (1) the claim that there are phone / text records and (2) the claim that the FBI is investigating the possibility of hacked computers. Here's why:

If, as the poster claims, the NCAA really does have phone / text records, it'll be interesting to find out how they got them.

The NCAA famously doesn't have subpoena power. So it would take a law enforcement agency going to a judge to get a subpoena (or subpoenas?) approved...which, because the NCAA has no power to do that, would indicate issues beyond violation of NCAA rules and into the legal world.

If the FBI is really investigating potential hacking, and finds that it happened to one or more state-owned computer(s), whoever did it is looking at some no-foolin' prison time.

If it's more than one hacker, there'll be a race to give up information in exchange for leniency.

I don't know which of the above allegations are true. But with lots of specific information leaking out, and a deafeningly silent response from Ann Arbor, it's a dead certainty that at least some are.

So yeah, I think it's time to buy popcorn.
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I’m wondering if people started making a lot of money taking Michigan and the spread because of this man and his shenanigans.

I could see the FBI getting involved if a booster was helping steal signals and then betting on Michigan to cover.
 
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selmaborntidefan said:
Why can't the guys who are going to cheat like this have the common sense to make sure they send a text message EARLY in the scandal that says, "This is a violation of NCAA rules. Please do not text me again else I will notify my school and the NCAA. The only reason I'm not now is because you may not be aware of this, and I don't want to cause you trouble based solely on your zeal."

And then use the spare phone that you destroy (the "burner") or none at all.

I mean, you don't have to be overly bright to think about laying down the denial, do you????
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Therein lies the problem...;)
 
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selmaborntidefan said:
I don't think anybody actually thinks it isn't an advantage.

HOW MUCH of an advantage is the issue.

The Houston Astros might know a fastball is coming, but you still have to hit the ball, which even the best hitters fail in MLB about 7 out of 10 times, maybe a bit less.

I would think that most teams know what is in most other teams' playbooks. Remember when Auburn hit that insane TD right before halftime (I think it was in 2018), and Saban didn't even flinch, saying he knew they had that play in their arsenal - and that it was coming?

So YES...it IS an advantage because Harbaugh or anyone wouldn't even try this without thinking it was.
But HOW MUCH of an advantage?

Well, it isn't going to turn Purdue into national champions, I'll put it that way.
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Because they don't know its a fastball coming...?:unsure:
 
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AlexanderFan said:
I’m wondering if people started making a lot of money taking Michigan and the spread because of this man and his shenanigans.

I could see the FBI getting involved if a booster was helping steal signals and then betting on Michigan to cover.
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Oh man I didn’t even think of that. Some “insider trading” so to speak would be the icing on the cake with this scandal.
 
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AlexanderFan said:
I’m wondering if people started making a lot of money taking Michigan and the spread because of this man and his shenanigans.

I could see the FBI getting involved if a booster was helping steal signals and then betting on Michigan to cover.
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I could see a Booster betting on Michigan to make a little money... That may yet come to light.
 
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rolltide7854 said:
But is easier if you know it's coming. If you remove doubt it might be a change-up, curve or a slider you only have one pitch to worry about. How many times has a Major league hitter took a fastball down the middle for a called 3rd strike.
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And I say facing a fastball is an entirely different conversation than facing a known play in football.

If your defense is filled with competent talent, i.e., not Nebraska or Purdue, and you know exactly what play the offense is going to run, stopping them becomes infinitely easier. Now when you come up against a team just as talented as you are or better, then sure knowing what they are going to run is no guarantee you can stop them.

Look at Michigan’s schedule other than Ohio State. There is no one else. Please don’t say Penn State either.
 
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Opposing teams could have some real fun with this. I would have my whole sideline doing the YMCA dance and bunch fake signals just to troll UM...
 
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Must be from the Eddie Guerrero school.
"If you're not cheating, you're not trying." Eddie Guerrero
 
Hmmm. I’m sure The school is horrified to learn of mr stallions misdeeds. Luckily NOONE Else associated with the team knew anything!
 
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I read on another site earlier today that it appears the information that got the ball rolling on this whole sign stealing deal was provided by a private investigator....The guy that owns the private investigation firm that was involved is Ryan Day's brother....Man, I'm actually a bit jealous of this from a rivalry perspective. Every fan base likes to think that the rivalry between their own team and their biggest rival is the most intense rivalry in the country....If the private investigator that busted this whole thing open was not only hired by OSU, but the guy is the brother of the OSU head coach...that will live on in rivalry lore forever....gotta tip our hats to the Big Ten on this one....and start scheming up our own scandal with au so that we can try to swing the rivalry intensity meter back in our direction....I mean all we got to show at the moment is a poisoned tree covered in toilet paper, well not so much covered in toilet paper very often here recently, but y'all see what I'm sayin...
 
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