CFN: Florida State and the "Rigged" College Football Playoff: Daily Cavalcade

[Slowpoke Catracho]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1735427828395454626

 

[22Musso22]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1735427828395454626

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1735427828395454626

Thinking about moving to his district just to vote against him...

 

[RTR2u]

Goodness, what a sense of entitlement! I hope UGA fans are embarrassed.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

Goodness, what a sense of entitlement! I hope UGA fans are embarrassed.

They ain't

 

[Krymsonman]

Oh gee, Florida State....a team that never EVER got the benefit of the doubt except......

1989 - finishes #3 in the AP poll with two losses ahead of SEC co-champion with one l0ss (Tennessee) and Big 8 champion with one loss (Colorado). And one of their losses - they like to say they lost to Brett Favre, but the part they never mention is that USM went 4-6 in their other ten games.
(FSU benefit: ranked ahead of teams with fewer losses)

1990 - ranked #4 with two losses....well ahead of 10-1 Houston and 10-1-1 Louisville
(FSU benefit: ranked ahead of teams with better records)

1991 - 11-2 Florida State ends the year at #4, three spots ahead of 10-2 SEC champion Florida...who beat FSU, 14-9
(FSU benefit: ranked ahead of team who beat them head-to-head and had same # of losses)

1992 - 11-1 FSU finishes year at #2 ahead of 11-1 Miami (#3)...who beat FSU head-to-head
(FSU benefit: ranked ahead of team who beat them head-to-head)

1993 - 12-1 FSU wins national championship ahead of 11-1 Notre Dame, who beat FSU head-to-head; worse, they're ranked ahead of 11-0 Auburn and deprive 11-0 West Virginia of a national championship shot with Nebraska. WVA beat the team that beat the team (UCF logic), was unbeaten, and was Big East conference champion. (We'll spot them Auburn because probation)
(FSU benefit: ranked ahead of team that beat them head-to-head AND unbeaten conf champion)

1996 - FSU (11-1) ends the year at #3 despite playing three fewer games than 14-1 WAC champion BYU. For reasons never made clear, Arizona State beat #1 Nebraska yet remained below the top spot, but FSU moved to the top spot upon beating #1 Florida.
(FSU benefit: higher ranking despite same number of losses and 3 fewer games)

1998 - despite a far worse loss (17 points) to 7-5 NC State than Ohio State's 4-point loss to 6-6 Sparty, the BCS selects FSU over Ohio State AND UNBEATEN TULANE for the national title game.
(FSU benefit: chosen ahead of undefeated conf champion and despite worse loss)

2000 - despite a head-to-head loss to one-loss Miami, FSU is chosen again for the BCS title game.
(FSU benefit: chosen despite a head-to-head loss)

2003 - despite an 8-point head-to-head loss to Miami at home, the final BCS poll has FSU two spots ahead of the Canes, who have the same record. Just to show the BCS is wrong in the same year they have Oklahoma at #1 after a butt kicking...FSU loses to Miami in the bowl game, too. They're also ranked ahead of two one-loss teams, Miami (of Ohio) and Boise State.
(FSU benefit: ranked higher despite same record and head-to-head loss)

2015 - the final CFP ranks 10-2 Florida State NINE spots ahead of 12-1 Houston. Just for good measure, Houston rolls them in the bowl game.
(FSU benefit: ranked higher despite another team having better record)

2016 - the final CFP ranks 9-3 Florida State at 11, two spots ahead of #13 Louisville, who is also 9-3. This is understandable since Louisville scraped by FSU by the narrow margin of 63-20 head-to-head.
(FSU benefit: ranked higher despite same record and head-to-head shellacking)

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Florida State has - MANY TIMES since 1989:
a) been ranked ahead of teams with better records
b) been ranked ahead of teams who beat them head-to-head (one by a mere 43 points)
c) been selected to play in a national title game despite both a and b.


They've been overrated by the AP.
They've been overrated by the BCS.
They've been overrated by the CFP (seriously - how in the hell did 2016 happen?)

Florida State never once complained about getting the benefit of the doubt.
So......I'm not sure what their problem is right now.

Thanks Selma, I need to print this out and use it as a handout for any FSU wackos.

 

[hfhmilkman]

Well, that would explain it. Michigan would much rather play a lame-duck FSU, than BAMA.

If you want to be the best. You have to beat the best.

 

[hfhmilkman]

I’m sensing you have an agenda no one seems to care about. Let’s move on to something else. College football has always been run by blue bloods and mini dynasties. Always.

occasionally an upstart comes in, has a short-lived run, and then back to the pack. We’ve seen it with Tennessee, Florida, Clemson, LSU, and now Washington and Georgia. They will return to the pack. And new ones will emerge.

Efforts to bring parity with NIL and Portal will work in the short term and give life to teams like FSU, Ole Miss, Oregon, Miami, etc. but it’s just for the short term.

Elite programs will adjust and thrive. Upstarts will have their moments and then return. Some Vintage Blue Bloods will nearly disappear.

Bama and Georgia just played the highest viewed/rated game in over a decade. And it was because it pitted The Emperor battling Vader.

Blue bloods and dynasties will continue to rule, and the game will survive. Parity is boring.

College football past tense is exciting. The parity of the NFL is exciting. My point that you are still missing is that college football can have its cake and eat it too. There is a romantism of the underdog of taking it to the big blue-blood. Auburn almost beat Alabama. Everything that you just talked about is about to remove the last chance for an up and coming team to compete. NIL means Auburn becomes a feeder school for Alabama. If you show you are a good player, you can play and be paid and be on the national stage. Auburn will not even be able to bushwack a blue-blood because as soon as they develop players, they are going to leave.

You say that parity is boring. If you knew that for the next two decades that the spread in the Alabama Auburn game was 30, would you really be interested in that? You would be riled up for a fast stomping, face planting obliteration where the backups were finishing the game midway through the third quarter.

That is why I am of the opinion that on its current course the conference system will die. I am of the opinion there will be a separate group of blue-bloods who will only play other blue-bloods. If a school wants to get in they will have to relegate someone else. And as you point out if its Bama and Georgia was the highest viewed game in over a decade and that is all that matters, how come we are not having a rematch? The 247 talent index would argue that Georgia and Alabama playing for the NC is the right thing to do.

 

[hfhmilkman]

Your problem doesn't seem to be that you're ignorant, it's just that you know so many things that aren't true. I get that you're being polite but I don't have a lot of tolerance for butthurt disguised as nuance. The system is what it is. If you stop beating your dry and dusty dead horse you'll see that many here aren't thrilled with the current state of college football.

You are going to have to elaborate on what I say is not true or what I am nuancing. I restate from the beginning. I have had concerns about the state of college football since 2017. I saw a thread discussing. What you call butthurt I call prescient. College football is/was special. The chances that accelerating are going to take away what I believe makes it special. I am not nuanced in the slightest. The system of course what it is. My concern is that its changing for the worse.

 

[hfhmilkman]

This is all the more amazing when you realize that the ACC won more national championships in the 1981-90 span than the SEC did despite the SEC being a powerhouse conference. You'd think "FSU joining in 1992 right after Tech wins a national title" would boost their profile...but you'd be wrong.




Correct.

They won their first 29 games in the ACC and were almost never even challenged by the other members. Their loss to UVA in 1995 on a Thursday night....I laughed because their superstar, Warrick Dunn, took a direct snap and basically fumbled the ball at the goal line before crossing (which only counts if your name is Charles White at USC).



The conference was never very good anyway. They thought adding Miami would turn them into the SEC, but all it turned them into was "See What We Used To Be."

I remember that game. That was an Arnie Spanier, "You don't need the points, take UVA and the win." I loved that radio show.

 

[hfhmilkman]

It is in the link in the OP.

Stop saying “four best teams.” Everyone’s “best” teams are different. If I’m being totally honest, I think - "I" and "think" being the key parts to that instead "we can prove" - the four best teams right now are Michigan, Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio State. After that, Texas, and then, because of that defense, the strangely underappreciated Penn State.

If you take the Rivals 247 talent index and graph on FEI's win differential, the four best teams are Alabama #1, Georgia #2, OSU #3 but barely behind Georgia, and Texas #4.

If you use Rivals 247 as the only marker for predicting a win, Alabama will route Michigan and Texas will route Washington. Alabama will decisively beat Texas. Georgia and OSU are the only teams that on paper can match Alabama.

Poor Texas A&M had the 4th best talent index in the country. They unfortunately have an FEI differential of -4.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Thanks Selma, I need to print this out and use it as a handout for any FSU wackos.

They're either pretentious or too stupid to get it - or both.

They keep getting fixated on this "undefeated P-5 champion" - as a way to not have to talk about Liberty. But Liberty is important in this context - because it means THE SCHEDULE YOU PLAY MATTERS!!! They're being deceitful with almost every word that comes out of their mouths on this, almost like they've attended brainwashing school and absorbed their lessons.

- "the ACC is 6-4 against the SEC this year" (this is their "the ACC is good, SEC bad" argument)
- "we routed two SEC teams this year" (this from the folks saying the SEC is no good now wanting to say it's good and we killed them)
- "Alabama needed a miracle to beat Auburn" (no, Alabama executed a designed play to beat Auburn; a miracle is like the Prayer at Jordan-Hare)
- "that didn't involved an undefeated team" is their new one when you point out the above

What minimal sympathy I could have with "team that went unbeaten and didn't make playoffs" has evaporated as they've all turned into junior Danny Kanells, replete with condescending smarm and punchable faces.

 

[B1GTide]

If you knew that for the next two decades that the spread in the Alabama Auburn game was 30, would you really be interested in that?

Where can I sign up for that? I'll take it right now.

 

[CajunCrimson]

College football past tense is exciting. The parity of the NFL is exciting. My point that you are still missing is that college football can have its cake and eat it too. There is a romantism of the underdog of taking it to the big blue-blood. Auburn almost beat Alabama. Everything that you just talked about is about to remove the last chance for an up and coming team to compete. NIL means Auburn becomes a feeder school for Alabama. If you show you are a good player, you can play and be paid and be on the national stage. Auburn will not even be able to bushwack a blue-blood because as soon as they develop players, they are going to leave.

You say that parity is boring. If you knew that for the next two decades that the spread in the Alabama Auburn game was 30, would you really be interested in that? You would be riled up for a fast stomping, face planting obliteration where the backups were finishing the game midway through the third quarter.

That is why I am of the opinion that on its current course the conference system will die. I am of the opinion there will be a separate group of blue-bloods who will only play other blue-bloods. If a school wants to get in they will have to relegate someone else. And as you point out if its Bama and Georgia was the highest viewed game in over a decade and that is all that matters, how come we are not having a rematch? The 247 talent index would argue that Georgia and Alabama playing for the NC is the right thing to do.

No one wants a different champion each year. Because that lessens the accomplishment. It becomes more of an “is it our turn now?”accomplishment. Who wants to watch that?

NFL isn’t watchable anymore. NBA is worse. And MLB lost me about a decade ago. Parity is boring.

Look back at when each was at their best…you had a Chicago Bulls or a Patriots or a Torre’s Yankees running the show and everyone else chasing.

NBA found a glimmer when the Warriors went on a run. But now it’s gone again.

people want to chase an evil champion. It adds another layer.

if you told me the next NFL Champions were the Lions, the Jets, the Bears, the Titans and the Jaguars, I wouldn’t watch a game.

but if you told me the Dolphins will win 4 of 5, I’d latch on to that.

Bama and UGA aren’t in a rematch because Michigan and Texas are in the picture. Two other Blue Bloods.

if either of them were out, you would get UGA, ahead of FSU.

FSU fans don’t get it. Their 5 spot was a gift. Because if it came down to them or UGA, they lose that too.

As far as Bama/Auburn games coming down to 3 pts each year? I have zero interest in that. As a Bama fan, I want no close games.

as a football fan, I want upsets of other giants. But if you have parity, upsets don’t mean as much. For the upset to really matter, you have to have the bad guy to chase.

 

[CajunCrimson]

Where can I sign up for that? I'll take it right now.

Ugh. Ok. How about we change the teams to Ohio State and Mich State for the next ten years. Want that too?

 

[92tide]

If you knew that for the next two decades that the spread in the Alabama Auburn game was 30, would you really be interested in that?

my guess is that the answer to this question is going to be overwhelmingly, "oh hell yes i'd be interested in that"

 

[B1GTide]

Ugh. Ok. How about we change the teams to Ohio State and Mich State for the next ten years. Want that too?

He said 30 points, not 3.

 

[CajunCrimson]

He said 30 points, not 3.

I thought he meant total spread over a decade. Sorry. Yes 30 pts each year. I’m there. I stopped comprehending the post halfway thru I think.

 

[Tidelines]

People need to remember that this is just a game.

It is...a multi- billion dollar game.

 

[Bama Lee]

No one wants a different champion each year. Because that lessens the accomplishment. It becomes more of an “is it our turn now?”accomplishment. Who wants to watch that?

NFL isn’t watchable anymore. NBA is worse. And MLB lost me about a decade ago. Parity is boring.

Look back at when each was at their best…you had a Chicago Bulls or a Patriots or a Torre’s Yankees running the show and everyone else chasing.

NBA found a glimmer when the Warriors went on a run. But now it’s gone again.

people want to chase an evil champion. It adds another layer.

if you told me the next NFL Champions were the Lions, the Jets, the Bears, the Titans and the Jaguars, I wouldn’t watch a game.

but if you told me the Dolphins will win 4 of 5, I’d latch on to that.

Bama and UGA aren’t in a rematch because Michigan and Texas are in the picture. Two other Blue Bloods.

if either of them were out, you would get UGA, ahead of FSU.

FSU fans don’t get it. Their 5 spot was a gift. Because if it came down to them or UGA, they lose that too.

As far as Bama/Auburn games coming down to 3 pts each year? I have zero interest in that. As a Bama fan, I want no close games.

as a football fan, I want upsets of other giants. But if you have parity, upsets don’t mean as much. For the upset to really matter, you have to have the bad guy to chase.

FSU might also lose a head to head comparison to Ohio State