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ACC and PAC 12 Demise seems close (FSU officially stating intentions to fight ACC Grant of Rights… Clemson sues the ACC)

81usaf92 said:
The ACC is dead if FSU goes. No one will be willing to live under a restructured contract in which UVA and UNC is calling the shots
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It's also dead because half the league will be bolting now, if FSU is successful in their lawsuit. In fact, I expect to see several schools joining the suit, including UVA and UNC.

The SEC may not take any of them except UNC, UVA, and some combo of Clemson, FSU, and Miami (assuming they are able to get the aforementioned Tar Heels and Cavaliers). The Big Ten is after the AAU schools for certain. But the others who might bolt would almost certainly find a home with the Big 12.

My question is, if the lawsuit is successful, where does it leave Cal, Stanford, and SMU?
 
selmaborntidefan said:
Btw, nobody should be fooled by this whole "we're doing this because of the playoff" diversion.

The brutal reality is this:

1) Florida State joined the ACC in 1990 because there was more money available.

Not because they were scared of the SEC, not because of any reason other than M-O-N-E-Y.
Prior to the new millennium, the ACC generated more revenue PER SCHOOL in TV rights than the SEC did when you take ALL SPORTS into account. And yes, I know the Bobby Bowden quote, but in 1990, the TV rights landscape was a completely different animal than it is now. (Miami joined the Big East largely because they told the 'Canes, "Hey, you can keep almost all the money football generates from TV rights."

If the issue had been, "Look FSU, you'll go 8-3 every year but add $2 million to your bottom line" versus "You can win 3 straight national titles but you're going to lose $500K per year," every single school INCLUDING Alabama is opting for #1.

2) They want out now because the landscape shifted against them - and they need money.

Just do a search of their "$30 million shortfall" compared to other conferences.


The rest of this is all smokescreen. They're going to sound irrational with "we can't get a fair shake because we're not in one of the Big Two," but it's all about them pocketing more loot.

It's just nobody is allowed to admit they're doing something for money, that's all.
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This is news to me but I certainly trust you. I had no idea the ACC made more per school than the SEC back then. Bobby Bowden's quote was my only memory of what went down.

The SEC championship obviously changed that paradigm, but FSU had already made its decision.
 
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TideEngineer08 said:
It's also dead because half the league will be bolting now, if FSU is successful in their lawsuit. In fact, I expect to see several schools joining the suit, including UVA and UNC.

The SEC may not take any of them except UNC, UVA, and some combo of Clemson, FSU, and Miami (assuming they are able to get the aforementioned Tar Heels and Cavaliers). The Big Ten is after the AAU schools for certain. But the others who might bolt would almost certainly find a home with the Big 12.

My question is, if the lawsuit is successful, where does it leave Cal, Stanford, and SMU?
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I have a feeling that the B1G and SEC are exploring what is available if FSU is successful. I still believe UNC, UVA, and ND are the prime targets. I could see B1G taking Stanford and ND and the SEC taking UVA and UNC.

I think the Big XII is trying to get everyone else of value. FSU probably finds their home there.
 
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TideEngineer08 said:
This is news to me but I certainly trust you. I had no idea the ACC made more per school than the SEC back then. Bobby Bowden's quote was my only memory of what went down.

The SEC championship obviously changed that paradigm, but FSU had already made its decision.
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They didn't in FOOTBALL ALONE, but you have to remember what a big deal basketball is in the ACC.

I was actually shocked to learn that myself.

FSU basically announced (I believe) in September 1990 that they were going to the ACC. The SEC wanted/didn't want them (Florida esp), but they needed 12 teams for their plan to have a conference championship game. THAT also changed the calculus.

But the ACC was taking in more from TV rights from ALL sports combined until the early 2000s. That's why Miami, Syracuse, and Va Tech bolted the Big East. The game changer was the launch of the B1G network. Also remember - in 2001, the ACC was only splitting the money among NINE SCHOOLS, not 12.

Stunned the hell out of me to learn that, though.
 
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TideEngineer08 said:
This is news to me but I certainly trust you. I had no idea the ACC made more per school than the SEC back then. Bobby Bowden's quote was my only memory of what went down.

The SEC championship obviously changed that paradigm, but FSU had already made its decision.
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To be fair, Bobby Bowden didn't admit that until 2015.

SEC fans were taunting him with it back in 1991, and from the standpoint of a coach, he's right. But the idea that the PTB at FSU said, "Yeah, we can make more money here, but the coach doesn't want us to do this" is ludicrous, too.

As I said in my previous response to this post, you have to remember it was 9 teams vs 12 in the SEC.
 
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selmaborntidefan said:
The gloves are off.....and the lawyers are already tallying up their fees and drinking margaritas.....
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I also read where to even look at the contract that you have to go to the ACC headquarters and it doesn’t exist electronically or in some other physical capacity.

This is the most crazy divorce I have ever seen or heard of between conferences and teams.
 
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81usaf92 said:
ACC’s response

https://twitter.com/x/status/1738239281402163260
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The irony here is the entire ACC is going to suffer for a while, and quite possibly for years until this is all settled. No one wins, but FSU is a petulant child acting out...

And honestly, this makes them less attractive to the SEC and Big 10. They are suing their current conference to try and negate something they signed, you really want to sign something with them after that?
 
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KrAzY3 said:
And honestly, this makes them less attractive to the SEC and Big 10. They are suing their current conference to try and negate something they signed, you really want to sign something with them after that?
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I honestly can't imagine it matters to either conference commissioner.

First, they get that FSU is in a bind. They see themselves as a blue blood and they're not only undervalued by the Playoff committee but they're making tens of millions of dollars a year less. So, their move is understandable.

Second, they're either a major value-add or they aren't. Five years ago, I would have said FSU and Clemson are the obvious ACC teams to poach. Now, it sure looks like Virginia and Carolina---not exactly football powerhouses, but prestige state flagships---are the most attractive targets.
 
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