Alabama QBs in 2024

[RollTide_HTTR]

well, he was Youngs backup because the only other option was a true freshman. that true freshman did play more and make more passes in relief than Milroe did as a true freshman though.

Then in Spring, the first team reps were split evenly with Simpson. Summer was split with Buchner and Simpson.

USF just made visible to the fans what the tone and undercurrent of the team was. One guy 'won the team' and it was clear some of them were not going to play for anyone else.

I have not seen that anywhere and it is news to me. But doesn't really explain fall and how most of the reports were back and forth about who looked best and Milroe mostly got reps and I believe eventually only got reps with the 1s.

I don't really care who everyone thinks is better than who at this point, again I am pretty far from Milroe's biggest supporter. But this whole idea that he's not even a QB is absurd. Its piling on a player who started and won a bunch of games for us. And most importantly the judgment is simply wrong and lazy.

The dude completed over 50% of his throws of 20+ yards. He had 26 Big time throws and 0 turnover worthy passes on those throws. That hardly screams "not a QB". Do other aspects of QBing matter? Obviously. But we seem determined to discount ANYTHING positive about Milroe and anything positive we've heard about Milroe. Its ABSURD.

Does he have a LOT to work on? Absolutely. He holds the ball too long, struggles a lot in the intermediate area of the field, and sometimes looks incredibly indecisive. All of those things and more are fair game to talk about but the way this board talks about him you'd think we started me at QB.

Now Deboer is calling him the "headliner" of the QB room and our response is "well he's not going to say bad things about him" and sure that's true but he seems to be going out of his way to say POSTIVIE things about Milroe and maybe we should listen to that a bit more?

This is starting to feel a LOT like last year when fans, including myself, kept saying well he might start but he definitely won't finish the season despite plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Oh and some of these same people that are overly critical to the point of it being ridiculous then seem to be implying that there is only one reason anyone could possibly support him...*wink* *wink*. Which is just absurd and inappropriate IMO. Heck we even had a guy implying Milroe was being political to edge out the other QBs and make sure he has the support of the team so they can't replace him or some such nonsense.

I am TIRED of this conversation I hate that I keep getting myself dragged back into it and that is on me. But COME ON people. Some of this criticism seems completely over the line and player bashing which I didn't think was allowed here. Even with Hurts it wasn't this bad and I was on the Tua side of that.

Not to mention the Ty praise is based on like 2 throws. Sure Milroe doesn't have the touch Ty does. We can confidently say that. But you could make the same judgment comparing different NFL QBs. Besides that we know basically nothing about Ty on the field because the sample size has been insanely small.

To be clear, I think you have largely not been one of the posters I'm complaining about but I have just hit a bit of a wall on this topic so I apologize if it feels like I am attacking you specifically. That is not my intention.

 

[BamaMoon]

I'll say again that CKD is making all the right decisions.

Why act like JM is #1 and has great potential? Because he does! Like Buzzard said, if you have a world class athlete you owe it to yourself to give him a chance.

JM has charisma and influence too. He's got to give him the chance to win the job because he's a leader and trying to improve.

IF JM turns the corner and erases some of his obvious flaws he can be an incredibly tough QB to defend.

I'm holding out hope he can change but I wouldn't bet a dollar on it because as much potential as he's shown, there's the lack of growth from last year that's the proverbial elephant in the room.

This is a guy the GOAT had to let his OC totally abandon the "Bama offense" that CNS spoke so affectionately about as he defended "this is what we do" and "every OC will run it" over the years until he could no longer do it. I don't think we realize how big of a change from protocol it was to allow CTR to change things.

But it was because of JM's incredible attributes in the open field that led to it. We rode it all the way to the national semi final until it totally failed us. It was a gamble that almost worked out.

I, for one, am excited to see how this will play out over Spring, Fall camp and into the regular season. I've never been more excited about an upcoming season than I am for this one. NIL and the portal OR NOT, I'm excited for the 2024 CKD led Bama team to run out on that field.

 

[Cruloc]

It's the "type" of run that we need to identify.

If he's north/south he's incredibly fast and somewhat elusive.

But if he's moving east/west he's usually probing for a running lane and tends to not see them very well and at those times he's easily brought down. Sometimes by a shoe string even.

He'd never make a good running back for some of the same reasons he struggles at QB. I think he's way below average in his field vision. I don't think he's got great peripheral vision and he has to really see something straight head to see it and even then he's slow to react.

I think it affects his willingness to take off and run (probably why CTR called more designed run plays for him later in the year) and it also affects his short/intermediate throws because there's more traffic to sort thru.

It also might be why he loves the long ball so much. There's not nearly as much traffic to "see" and sort thru 40-50 yards downfield.

JMO.

It really all comes down to his field vision. WR's have to be open for him to throw it, if he sees them at all. Against better defenses his margins are small for that type of field vision.

The concerning thing for me, besides his lack of field vision, is him not being able to read the run option correctly based on the DE crashing or not.

He has so many areas he needs massive improvement on to run a DeBoer offense.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

I'll say again that CKD is making all the right decisions.

Why act like JM is #1 and has great potential? Because he does! Like Buzzard said, if you have a world class athlete you owe it to yourself to give him a chance.

JM has charisma and influence too. He's got to give him the chance to win the job because he's a leader and trying to improve.

IF JM turns the corner and erases some of his obvious flaws he can be an incredibly tough QB to defend.

I'm holding out hope he can change but I wouldn't bet a dollar on it because as much potential as he's shown, there's the lack of growth from last year that's the proverbial elephant in the room.

This is a guy the GOAT had to let his OC totally abandon the "Bama offense" that CNS spoke so affectionately about as he defended "this is what we do" and "every OC will run it" over the years until he could no longer do it. I don't think we realize how big of a change from protocol it was to allow CTR to change things.

But it was because of JM's incredible attributes in the open field that led to it. We rode it all the way to the national semi final until it totally failed us. It was a gamble that almost worked out.

I, for one, am excited to see how this will play out over Spring, Fall camp and into the regular season. I've never been more excited about an upcoming season than I am for this one. NIL and the portal OR NOT, I'm excited for the 2024 CKD led Bama team to run out on that field.

To be fair. The Washington offense that we brought in and that was run by a QB many of us praised didn't fair much better vs Michigan's defense. He had more passing yards but they didn't score anymore than we did and had 2 INTs.

But I do largely agree with you here. And this IMO is all fair criticism of Milroe

 

[davefrat]

It really all comes down to his field vision. WR's have to be open for him to throw it, if he sees them at all. Against better defenses his margins are small for that type of field vision.

The concerning thing for me, besides his lack of field vision, is him not being able to read the run option correctly based on the DE crashing or not.

He has so many areas he needs massive improvement on to run a DeBoer offense.

This is to my untrained eye the most perplexing issue of all, albeit perhaps lower on the list of concerns.

And IF he were more a adept in that area alone with would perhaps provide some relief in the other areas.

Shame he hasn't been properly coached up or simply doesn't have what it takes or some combination of both.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

My biggest hope is that CKD is a better offensive coach than anyone we've had since Sark.

A good coach can take things that look complicated to the defense and simplify them for his players to the point where they are playing football instead of constantly thinking. I think Pete Golding is an example of a guy that did not have that skill on the defensive side. Our LBs under Golding always looked like they were thinking too much and too slow to react.

Based on what DeBoer has said I think he is going to be a very good teacher. He seems to have a very clear plan and process on how he teaches his offense. That is exciting to me. I think that is a very good sign for whichever QB ends up winning the job.

 

[davefrat]

My biggest hope is that CKD is a better offensive coach than anyone we've had since Sark.

A good coach can take things that look complicated to the defense and simplify them for his players to the point where they are playing football instead of constantly thinking. I think Pete Golding is an example of a guy that did not have that skill on the defensive side. Our LBs under Golding always looked like they were thinking too much and too slow to react.

Based on what DeBoer has said I think he is going to be a very good teacher. He seems to have a very clear plan and process on how he teaches his offense. That is exciting to me. I think that is a very good sign for whichever QB ends up winning the job.

With the transfer portal creating such turmoil in roster management, it would seem logical that systems will become less complicated so that transfers can pick things up quickly and contribute earlier.

 

[BamaMoon]

To be fair. The Washington offense that we brought in and that was run by a QB many of us praised didn't fair much better vs Michigan's defense. He had more passing yards but they didn't score anymore than we did and had 2 INTs.

But I do largely agree with you here. And this IMO is all fair criticism of Milroe

I think we can attribute our success all the way to the semis last year to great team talent.

It may have been done already, but I imagine top to bottom our team talent eclipsed Washington's significantly.

But the most credit goes to UM's defense in the end. They dominated both us and Washington, even with Penix's great talent.

 

[Cruloc]

This is to my untrained eye the most perplexing issue of all, albeit perhaps lower on the list of concerns.

And IF he were more a adept in that area alone with would perhaps provide some relief in the other areas.

Shame he hasn't been properly coached up or simply doesn't have what it takes or some combination of both.

I have no idea what type of offense his high school ran, but if he was playing QB for them (being that he was more than likely the best athlete on the field) then I would have expected him to have learned the read option then.

His shortcomings as a QB are perplexing. I know he wouldn't have gotten a lot of 1st team reps behind Bryce, but my goodness he's so far behind where he should be. Fixing all that in one off-season would indeed be a miracle.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

I think we can attribute our success all the way to the semis last year to great team talent.

It may have been done already, but I imagine top to bottom our team talent eclipsed Washington's significantly.

But the most credit goes to UM's defense in the end. They dominated both us and Washington, even with Penix's great talent.

We definitely had more depth of talent and more talent on defense than they did. I don't think you could say the same on offense. They had a better OL and better WRs including Odunze who is very very good. I'd argue they had a better starting offense than us at most positions. There is a reason we are excited about stealing their center even if he is undersized.

 

[BamaMoon]

This is to my untrained eye the most perplexing issue of all, albeit perhaps lower on the list of concerns.

And IF he were more a adept in that area alone with would perhaps provide some relief in the other areas.

Shame he hasn't been properly coached up or simply doesn't have what it takes or some combination of both.

Not saying he can't be coached to improve in some areas, but great vision is something "God given" more than coached up IMO.

CNS often compared his QBs to the point guard position. It's a given that a point guard has great court vision. The term "eyes in the back of his head" comes to mind but we know that's not true. A great point guard has great peripheral vision. He actually has eyes in the "side of his head." But it's also that he can anticipate the passing lane before it opens.

My greatest fear with JM is that he doesn't have this natural gift and will never be able to see the field the way most high level QBs obviously do.

 

[NoNC4Tubs]

To be fair. The Washington offense that we brought in and that was run by a QB many of us praised didn't fair much better vs Michigan's defense. He had more passing yards but they didn't score anymore than we did and had 2 INTs.

But I do largely agree with you here. And this IMO is all fair criticism of Milroe

To be fair, Washington didn't have the talent on defense that we do. With this talented defense, his offense would have probably beat meatchicken...

 

[BamaMoon]

We definitely had more depth of talent and more talent on defense than they did. I don't think you could say the same on offense. They had a better OL and better WRs including Odunze who is very very good. I'd argue they had a better starting offense than us at most positions.

And that's the rub, we really don't know how good the offense could have been with a high level QB.

Do you think if we had a QB like Penix with his fast release and field vision that our offense would have been a lot more dynamic? I'd bet we would have passed for more than 2800 yards and close to 5000 with Penix.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

To be fair, Washington didn't have the talent on defense that we do. With this talented defense, his offense would have probably beat meatchicken...

I said we had more talent on defense. We clearly had a better defense. But they still only put up 13 points on Michigan. Michigan put 20 on us. Idk that we can possible know if our defense + there offense wins that game.

Though with Saban as HC I'd like the odds. The point here is Milroe had less to work with than Penix and both struggled against a very good team. That's the only point I was making. Not saying Milroe > Penix or anything.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

And that's the rub, we really don't know how good the offense could have been with a high level QB.

Do you think if we had a QB like Penix with his fast release and field vision that our offense would have been a lot more dynamic? I'd bet we would have passed for more than 2800 yards and close to 5000 with Penix.

For sure probably. But do we beat Michigan with Penix instead of Milroe? idk. Penix fell apart vs Michigan and missed a number of open shots. The pressure seemed to get to him. If Penix was playing behind our OL with a C that couldn't snap the ball he probably doesn't put up the same numbers.

 

[BamaMoon]

As a side note about "peripheral vision" I read once that sheep have incredible peripheral vision..almost 90% because of the placement of their eyes on the side of their heads.

However, despite that fact, sheep don't have very clear straight-line vision. Therefore, a "wolf in sheep's clothing" can be right in front of their face and they can't really tell the difference.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

Someone should tell Saban and DeBoer that because they clearly think otherwise

It's too early to say what DeBoer thinks. Too much is being made over Jalen taking the first team snaps in the spring. Have we even had a scrimmage yet? I wouldn't expect him to be overtaken after just a few weeks of throwing drills. The opportunity will come, but it's still super early.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

As a side note about "peripheral vision" I read once that sheep have incredible peripheral vision..almost 90% because of the placement of their eyes on the side of their heads.

However, despite that fact, sheep don't have very clear straight-line vision. Therefore, a "wolf in sheep's clothing" can be right in front of their face and they can't really tell the difference.

That's why the Lord says look a their "fruit". They may be dressed up as an apple tree, but you won't find any apples. I could have sworn I clicked the FB board. How in the heck did I end up on the religious board? Must be drunk with wine again...

 

[Cruloc]

As a side note about "peripheral vision" I read once that sheep have incredible peripheral vision..almost 90% because of the placement of their eyes on the side of their heads.

However, despite that fact, sheep don't have very clear straight-line vision. Therefore, a "wolf in sheep's clothing" can be right in front of their face and they can't really tell the difference.

 

[BamaMoon]

It's too early to say what DeBoer thinks. Too much is being made over Jalen taking the first team snaps in the spring. Have we even had a scrimmage yet? I wouldn't expect him to be overtaken after just a few weeks of throwing drills. The opportunity will come, but it's still super early.

Supposedly the 1st Scrimmage of the spring is Thursday.

How much news will trickle forth will be interesting. This staff seems to be more open with the media so maybe we'll hear more. QB stats might be revealing if they get released.