Milroe & Arnold & Hayes doing LANK song

[davefrat]

I think the big difference is the focus on self, versus the focus on others. It's one thing to not be working on your craft if you are doing something else for the benefit of others (selfless), versus promoting yourself (selfish)... JMHO

Well, he's not alone in being focused on himself among this generation.

It's not a trait I like, but it's also not necessarily an indictment of his character either.

As far as doing something for himself as opposed to others, in terms of improving personally as a QB, that's purely personal action but it is also action that can benefit others in the long run.

I really don't understand why so many people have such ill feelings towards this young man.

 

[davefrat]

It is possible to do both. Tom Brady did it with TB12. But here is the difference… Brady perfected his game before looking to expand his business and still football was the unrivaled priority.

Milroe is far more of a Cam Newton of wanting to squawk about limited success and “look at me” crap than a Tom Brady. Granted both are successful but who is the best football player and who is the guy that everyone sees as peeking too early with an overinflated ego?

IF Milroe can perform on the field like Cam Newton this season, I would be thrilled...regardless of the number of dumb country songs he makes or how many helmets he throws.

 

[davefrat]

well, you have to remember that they have limited contact and amount of time for anything outside of S&C in the offseason. Now is when players are really having to do things on their own.

Also, for all we know, CKD is looking at it and isn't super fond of it. We'd never know as I wouldn't think he'd make that public though...

So, we should take his positive comments with a grain of salt and focus more on things he doesn't say as possible proof that Milroe is a bum at QB?

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

Not trying to be argumentative, but why can't he do both?

Do we know how much time he spent on this stupid song?

What if he was spending time volunteering instead of making a dumb song?

Would people criticize him for doing good works rather than film study?

After all, any minute spent doing something else is a minute spent away from focusing on football, isn't it?

the problem with your argument, (in my opinion) is that alot of what we see is centered around "me" and not team or helping others.

 

[davefrat]

the problem with your argument, (in my opinion) is that alot of what we see is centered around "me" and not team or helping others.

that wasn't an argument...it was a question...which no one answered.

would people be upset if he was doing charity work instead of film study?

is the issue really about him devoting all his time to becoming a better QB or is it about the type of activities he's engaging in instead of devoting his time to becoming a better QB.

after all, he could be doing work that earns him a Nobel Peace Prize that isn't going to do squat in making him a better QB.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

I don’ honestly don’t get this. He is a human. I don’t like or agree with the LANK stuff but he can’t spend 16 hours a day on football. He is still a kid/young adult and has a life. At least he is learning the business side of life in case football doesn’t work out. If he is taking football serious then good for guys doing this. Am I tired of hearing about LANK and woo is me absolutely and that makes me tired of him as well but times are different. They aren’t “student” athletes anymore so I’m trying to think of them as just professionals and even pro athletes don’t/can’t spend 100% of time on their sport.

Do you spend every moment working and getting better for your job? Or would you take advantage of making money all the ways you can and have fun with friends?

First, yes, I do try to get better at my job and yes, I do think about how to be better at my job even when I'm off the clock....so there's that.
I don't get what you don't get about a football player with his deficiencies is out recording songs and all the LANK stuff and the photo ops and so on.
It's like he's being/acting more like a politician than a player.
If you know you have deficiencies do you neglect that and do a bunch of other stuff and just expect to magically improve?
And at this stage in life they aren't just kids. For that matter, at this stage he hasn't been treated like a kid in a few years.

 

[davefrat]

First, yes, I do try to get better at my job and yes, I do think about how to be better at my job even when I'm off the clock....so there's that.
I don't get what you don't get about a football player with his deficiencies is out recording songs and all the LANK stuff and the photo ops and so on.
It's like he's being/acting more like a politician than a player.
If you know you have deficiencies do you neglect that and do a bunch of other stuff and just expect to magically improve?
And at this stage in life they aren't just kids. For that matter, at this stage he hasn't been treated like a kid in a few years.

Everyone can improve at whatever they do. Does seeking to become better at what you do mean that you have to sacrifice every other activity in order to be better at what you do?

Do you do anything other than try to be better at what you do?

And when does one get the opportunity to do other things...when they have reached a state of "enlightenment" in what they do?

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

that wasn't an argument...it was a question...which no one answered.

would people be upset if he was doing charity work instead of film study?

is the issue really about him devoting all his time to becoming a better QB or is it about the type of activities he's engaging in instead of devoting his time to becoming a better QB.

after all, he could be doing work that earns him a Nobel Peace Prize that isn't going to do squat in making him a better QB.

I would say if he were doing things towards a nobel peace prize it might actually help him with his decision making.
Cutting a record and selling shirts isn't gonna do that.

 

[davefrat]

I would say if he were doing things towards a nobel peace prize it might actually help him with his decision making.
Cutting a record and selling shirts isn't gonna do that.

Really...so feeding the poor would make him better able to read defenses?

Cleaning up trash in local waterways would give him a great pocket presence?

Maybe learning how to work in a recording studio will improve his ability to be more consistent. (I honestly don't believe that, I just think it's on the same level of ridiculousness as the premise that being Mother Theresa would make him a better QB).

I can see it now..."Coach can you comment on what Milroe has been doing this spring to prep for next year?" "Well, all that time slinging soup at the homeless shelter has really improved his hand-eye coordination...probably going to reduce the number of bad snaps we have."

Who knows, maybe his cadence will improve after spending time behind a mic.

You can't be serious.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Well what is is him slamming down his helmet after a loss, Calling out former coaches, and acting out when anything goes wrong. The more and more this crap goes on the more and more comparisons to less prestigious names will surface.

The helmet slamming is literally a non issue. How many players and QBs have done the same thing? AJ and Barrett Jones yelled at each other, Brady broke a tablet once, etc.

The calling out coaches isn't always great and he probably needed to save that tidbit for later in his career but the coach didn't believe he could be a QB. I'm glad he remembers that and hope he uses it as motivation.

And idk what the last part is about but maybe his response getting benched or whatever? Yea he handled that poorly but seemingly came back from it pretty well.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Last year people were complaining that Milroe took time to work with the WRs because he was maybe taking time away from the other QBs or something. And this year it's why isn't he working on his craft (which btw I'm sure he is).

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

Really...so feeding the poor would make him better able to read defenses?

Cleaning up trash in local waterways would give him a great pocket presence?

Maybe learning how to work in a recording studio will improve his ability to be more consistent. (I honestly don't believe that, I just think it's on the same level of ridiculousness as the premise that being Mother Theresa would make him a better QB).

I can see it now..."Coach can you comment on what Milroe has been doing this spring to prep for next year?" "Well, all that time slinging soup at the homeless shelter has really improved his hand-eye coordination...probably going to reduce the number of bad snaps we have."

Who knows, maybe his cadence will improve after spending time behind a mic.

You can't be serious.

I'm as serious about what I say as much as you are trying to inflate someone to be what you want him to be.

Yeah, if he won a nobel prize for feeding the poor that would be better decision making that all the look at me lank stuff.

 

[81usaf92]

The helmet slamming is literally a non issue. How many players and QBs have done the same thing? AJ and Barrett Jones yelled at each other, Brady broke a tablet once, etc.

The calling out coaches isn't always great and he probably needed to save that tidbit for later in his career but the coach didn't believe he could be a QB. I'm glad he remembers that and hope he uses it as motivation.

And idk what the last part is about but maybe his response getting benched or whatever? Yea he handled that poorly but seemingly came back from it pretty well.

Calling YOURSELF the heisman after a bad game vs a bad Auburn team isn’t exactly a good look.

The helmet thing is about something Nick Saban specifically called out after retiring.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

I honestly was rooting for Milroe to not win the job. Alabama fans have made me completely flip my position this offseason.

I can't remember wanting a player to succeed more than I want Milroe too. The criticism of him is just off the walls nowadays. Literally anything he does gets criticized or discounted.

 

[davefrat]

I'm as serious about what I say as much as you are trying to inflate someone to be what you want him to be.

Yeah, if he won a nobel prize for feeding the poor that would be better decision making that all the look at me lank stuff.

I haven't inflated anyone and if you followed my posts in the billion threads about the QB room that's obvious. Check my posts about the subject going back to the end of the season and you'll see that I have no opinion on who is best for the job.

I simply don't understand why some people are so opposed to almost everything Milroe-related.

People are searching for any reason to tear him down...it's taken on some kind of bizarre posture like political partisanship where it's all about supporting the party at any cost.

Making records isn't going to make him a better QB.

Washing the feet of the homeless isn't going to make him a better QB.

He also doesn't have to devote every waking moment of his life to football in order to become a better QB.

 

[davefrat]

Calling YOURSELF the heisman after a bad game vs a bad Auburn team isn’t exactly a good look.

The helmet thing is about something Nick Saban specifically called out after retiring.

Certainly not a good look...and lots of players did stuff that Saban didn't like.

That doesn't mean he's a bum of a QB or that Saban had no faith in him.

 

[davefrat]

I honestly was rooting for Milroe to not win the job. Alabama fans have made me completely flip my position this offseason.

I can't remember wanting a player to succeed more than I want Milroe too. The criticism of him is just off the walls nowadays. Literally anything he does gets criticized or discounted.

It's ridiculous...you'd think he was out committing crimes or something.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Calling YOURSELF the heisman after a bad game vs a bad Auburn team isn’t exactly a good look.

The helmet thing is about something Nick Saban specifically called out after retiring.

I don't care what Saban called out in this case. There are sooo many instances of players slamming helmets and some of those players are all time greats. Saban can be wrong and he is wrong in this case if he is that upset over a helmet being slammed.

That's fair. That Auburn team had a solid D but definitely fair. I am in no way saying Milroe is a saint but some of the talk around him is just absurd.

 

[gtgilbert]

So, we should take his positive comments with a grain of salt and focus more on things he doesn't say as possible proof that Milroe is a bum at QB?

now you're trying to make it like I said things I never said - not cool.

All I said was we don't know what CKD thinks about all this stuff off the field, and that's is possible he doesn't like it. Again - we don't know, and honestly nor should we. That should be handled between player and coach - nothing more.

Coaches generally will (or at least should) publicly praise, and keep the constructive criticism and feedback out of the press b/c that's not likely to help the player develop.

Don't try to make my statements something they aren't.

 

[gtgilbert]

that wasn't an argument...it was a question...which no one answered.

would people be upset if he was doing charity work instead of film study?

is the issue really about him devoting all his time to becoming a better QB or is it about the type of activities he's engaging in instead of devoting his time to becoming a better QB.

after all, he could be doing work that earns him a Nobel Peace Prize that isn't going to do squat in making him a better QB.

I answered it.