Bama Game Thread: Official Postgame Thread - Bama vs. USF...

[RammerJammer14]

Was anyone else here sort of reminiscing about Mike Sula days at Bama and the sort of feel that watching a team with some great individual talent that can't quite put it all together. Just asking?

No. I thought that this team looked exactly the same as last years team.

 

[Cruloc]

Bryce Young would have looked pedestrian in the face of that pressure last night. Fix the line play and I guarantee JM would have suddenly looked better.

Really? Hit a few short routes over the blitz and it starts to stop. We aren't even looking at those when we see they've got an extra rusher.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Well, the ending was cathartic. Roll Tide.

 

[TD7]

The bigger problem is are we even running the DeBoer offense or has he had to ball that up and try to force his offense to fit milroes strengths. The talk was it was going to be a bunch of quick routes and the QB almost having to be cerebral in his decision making. Instead of seeing that we are seeing the same old stuff we seen last year. Trying to call plays to what Jalen can do and it handicap our offense.

No, we're not running the Washington offense. Some of the run concepts and designs are the same, but the passing schemes are very watered down.He has catered this offense to the QB.

 

[bamacpa]

JM does not throw WRs open, he only throws TO them...he doesnt have the touch to lead a receiver.

Yes, the JPW completion. Milroe had a couple of possible TDs last night if he hit the receiver in stride rather than making them wait. The stat sheet says completion but the throws say missed big play.

 

[colbysullivan]

Look, I was critical of some of his play last night, but he had pressure on every. single. snap. And when he didn't, we got flagged, over and over.

The OL was terrible last night, as bad as I've seen an OL play in a long time. Expecting any QB to be remotely successful in the face of pressure when the OC is calling long-developing plays is crazy.

That said, some of y'all constnatly blaming JM for everything is beyond tiresome. I wish you would learn a new song.

This argument doesn’t hold any water when Milroe continues to make the same mistakes in other games where the OL played well. Yes, the OL was horrible LAST NIGHT, but Milroe’s inability to process information quickly and accurately is the root cause of our problems.

 

[Cruiser]

IMO, the offensive line and the playcalling in the 2nd and 3rd quarter are mostly to blame for our struggles last night. The routes were repeatedly downfield and we seemed determined to hit deep bombs - and I don’t think that was exclusively Milroe going for the hero play. I saw several plays in which we were basically running 3 or 4 verticals with nothing underneath - and that’s a recipe for disaster when the defense is hell-bent on sending LBs and DBs screaming off the edge. The jumbled-up offensive line looked discombobulated most of the night and Formby struggled in particular against the edge rushers. I thought there were several plays in which Milroe found the correct receiver on an intermediate route (when we finally started calling them). Milroe still showed some of the same tendencies that have driven us crazy - the 20-yard sack was particularly bad - but he threw the ball away several times and didn’t throw any picks in the face of a ridiculous amount of pressure.
The defensive game plan we saw last night is USF’s default game plan under Todd Orlando - it’s a feast or famine approach. I’m not sure every team we face will replicate it. I think getting Proctor back and sliding Booker back to guard will change things tremendously. Obviously the officiating was terrible last night and didn’t help matters.

On the positive side, I think the defense has played extremely well for the first two games and seems to have settled in to Wommack’s system more quickly that I would have guessed. USF was a good test simply because of the blazing tempo they run - we won’t face another team in the regular season that will run plays as quickly as they did. To hold them to 16 points, especially considering how many red zone trips they made, was impressive. That’s a better team than I think people realize, and they’ll contend for the AAC title this season.

"we won’t face another team in the regular season that will run plays as quickly as they did."
We have Tennessee on the road, Nico looks like the real deal and James Pearce is a handful on the edge

 

[crimsonaudio]

This argument doesn’t hold any water when Milroe continues to make the same mistakes in other games where the OL played well. Yes, the OL was horrible LAST NIGHT, but Milroe’s inability to process information quickly and accurately is the root cause of our problems.

So why did Bama score TDs on three straight drives after Pritchett comes in, unless the line play improved dramatically? Did JM suddenly figure out how to run the offense? Did USF suddenly get tired?

Or maybe - MAYBE - the OL play influenced JM. Maybe. Possibly.

Nah, JM sucks and two of the most successful head coaches in the last few decades just can't see it.

 

[Easttexastide]

Progressions are the wrong word it's plays to the people who think he is great. He can't get thru his progression? It's he can't make a hot read and can't throw it. When you say progression you give him cover to say first guy wasnt open and he got sacked. He doesn't know where to go with the ball. Idk if he can't throw a quick slant so he over looks it or he doesn't know who to throw to. I lean more to him not being able to make the pass itself.

It's like 8th grade football when he breaks the huddle he knows where he is going. Now he may look one way and turn and throw a 50 yard bomb but make no mistake his progression didn't get him there. It doesn't matter if it's double coverage with a safety over top he is going there. We have wide receiver that sometimes beat coverage and it works. Burton would go get a ball so sometimes it worked. Williams will make some plays to so he will look good sometimes.

I've said it for 2 years the things he does wrong can't be coached out of him. Your such a good athlete you can get away with it in high-school but not college. Yes he will win us some games but it will end up just like the rose bowl. We won last year despite milroe not because of him. 3 and outs kill our defense if the blitz can stop everything every team would blitz constantly it's easy to stop but he can't make the passes so it will keep going.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Two totally different coaching staffs with two totally different philosophies calling the same slow developing style plays. The only constant is the quarterback.

Yet he has no blame.

They call the plays he will execute. Unless you think both coaching staffs are clueless.

 

[colbysullivan]

So why did Bama score TDs on three straight drives after Pritchett comes in, unless the line play improved dramatically? Did JM suddenly figure out how to run the offense? Did USF suddenly get tired?

Or maybe - MAYBE - the OL play influenced JM. Maybe. Possibly.

Nah, JM sucks and two of the most successful head coaches in the last few decades just can't see it.

Because we started running the ball

 

[crimsonaudio]

Because we started running the ball

Which we basically couldn't do until Pritchett came in...

ETA: I know nothing will change your mind. I know this. But goodness, does EVERY game discussion have to be you guys harping on JM over and over and over and over and over?

 

[colbysullivan]

Which we basically couldn't do until Pritchett came in...

ETA: I know nothing will change your mind. I know this. But goodness, does EVERY game discussion have to be you guys harping on JM over and over and over and over and over?

Why did we lose the Texas game? Why did we lose the Michigan game? Why was the Arkansas game down to the wire? Jalen Milroe does not know how to play quarterback. He cannot read defenses or feel pressure. That’s the reality.

And yes, every discussion has to be about him because he is the problem. Until something changes, his inability to process information will be the talking points.

 

[AlexanderFan]

So why did Bama score TDs on three straight drives after Pritchett comes in, unless the line play improved dramatically? Did JM suddenly figure out how to run the offense? Did USF suddenly get tired?

Or maybe - MAYBE - the OL play influenced JM. Maybe. Possibly.

Nah, JM sucks and two of the most successful head coaches in the last few decades just can't see it.

You’re going to tell me they waited till the end of the game to throw short? To throw quickly in the face of the pressure?

No doubt swapping in Pritchett helped the run game, but every quarterback has to step up in the pocket, every quarterback has to recognize when the DBs are giving too much cushion. Did that only happen late in the fourth?

 

[irvingtontide]

Because we started running the ball

Not to mention usf was gassed. Players were going down left and right to slow the pace. Once it was late in the 4th they didn’t have any steam left and our depth took over.
Also the runs went for big plays earlier but penalties called them back.

 

[Tideflyer]

If the. O line can’t stabilize, IMHO it isn’t that difficult to envision three, maybe four losses in this schedule.

 

[colbysullivan]

Not to mention usf was gassed. Players were going down left and right to slow the pace. Once it was late in the 4th they didn’t have any steam left and our depth took over.
Also the runs went for big plays earlier but penalties called them back.

Yep. The same people blamed the OL for the Texas loss but absolutely REFUSE to admit Milroe had a clean pocket on both of his INTs. He literally did not know the DB was there. It’s all on film, and they ignore it.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Which we basically couldn't do until Pritchett came in...

ETA: I know nothing will change your mind. I know this. But goodness, does EVERY game discussion have to be you guys harping on JM over and over and over and over and over?

The offense begins and ends with him is why.

Some plays the defense will just win, no matter what. If the quarterback hamstrings the offense before the ball is even snapped, those odds begin to grow.

 

[crimsonaudio]

 

[AlexanderFan]

I remember an interview Zow gave one time about a game where his first read every play was to look at the cushion on the outside. If the cushion was large enough he had free rein to throw it, regardless of the actual play call.

Maybe something like that would help Milroe.