Bama Game Thread: Official PostGame Thread - Bama vs. UMO...

[crimsonaudio]

I stopped thinking like that when Saban kept Tua on the bench for Hurts. Sometimes the coaches are wrong.

Again, sure, they're human. We're all that way in our areas of expertise. But the successful ones are right a lot more than not.

 

[B1GTide]

Again, sure, they're human. We're all that way in our areas of expertise. But the successful ones are right a lot more than not.

We agree, but with respect Milroe there is another factor - team chemistry. If the team gets behind one guy, you risk everything by choosing someone else.

Saban let the team choose Milroe last year. DeBoer let the team choose Milroe this year.

I sincerely believe that they both believed that Milroe gave Alabama the best chance to win. But not because he was the best QB.

Sometimes you have to play a guy. Milroe is that guy.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

We agree, but with respect Milroe there is another factor - team chemistry. If the team gets behind one guy, you risk everything by choosing someone else.

Saban let the team choose Milroe last year. DeBoer let the team choose Milroe this year.

I sincerely believe that they both believed that Milroe gave Alabama the best chance to win. But not because he was the best QB.

Sometimes you have to play a guy. Milroe is that guy.

I guess my feeling on this is that if Ty looked a LOT better in practice Saban and or DeBoer would have played him. That doesn't mean Ty isn't better right now but he must not be showing that he is significantly better. But what do I know?

The thing that keeps popping in my head is all the insiders last year saying "There is no Tua/Bryce/Mac on this roster" They said it time and time again. At this point I feel like I am forced to believe them.

 

[gtgilbert]

I guess my feeling on this is that if Ty looked a LOT better in practice Saban and or DeBoer would have played him. That doesn't mean Ty isn't better right now but he must not be showing that he is significantly better. But what do I know?

The thing that keeps popping in my head is all the insiders last year saying "There is no Tua/Bryce/Mac on this roster" They said it time and time again. At this point I feel like I am forced to believe them.

maybe so, but does anyone really think we knew what we had in Mac before he started in 2020? He'd done ok in relief when Tua went down, but it's not like we KNEW he was gonna go all scorched earth on all of college football the next year.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

maybe so, but does anyone really think we knew what we had in Mac before he started in 2020? He'd done ok in relief when Tua went down, but it's not like we KNEW he was gonna go all scorched earth on all of college football the next year.

I don't think the fans did no. I have no idea what Saban and Co really thought but I have a feeling they were fairly high on Mac.

But regardless, by that standard you never know anything and at that point what is even the point of talking about it.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

I guess my feeling on this is that if Ty looked a LOT better in practice Saban and or DeBoer would have played him. That doesn't mean Ty isn't better right now but he must not be showing that he is significantly better. But what do I know?

The thing that keeps popping in my head is all the insiders last year saying "There is no Tua/Bryce/Mac on this roster" They said it time and time again. At this point I feel like I am forced to believe them.

The word from the people who have watched the summer practices the last two years has always been that Ty looked a little bit better, but not a lot better. And I get it (while I don't agree with it), It was Milroe's job to lose, and Ty had to look a lot better. However, when Milroe begins to struggle like he has, at some point, Fy looking a little bit better every single time, has to count for something. And that's really what baffles me. We've been doing this dance for 21 games now, and we're still at the exact same place we were in August of '23.

I personally think "which QB is better" is the wrong question. It doesn't really matter if Ty is "better" than Milroe. Having a QB who can operate the offense, and make reads, can make such a huge difference, beyond just being a good passer.

 

[gtgilbert]

I don't think the fans did no, though. I have no idea what Saban and Co really thought but I have a feeling they were fairly high on Mac.

But regardless, by that standard you never know anything and at that point what is even the point of talking about it.

ok, but your original statement wasn't about Saban and Co, it was about 'insiders'. I don't recall insiders talking up Mac that much. that's the point.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

The word from the people who have watched the summer practices the last two years has always been that Ty looked a little bit better, but not a lot better. And I get it (while I don't agree with it), It was Milroe's job to lose, and Ty had to look a lot better. However, when Milroe begins to struggle like he has, at some point, Fy looking a little bit better every single time, has to count for something. And that's really what baffles me. We've been doing this dance for 21 games now, and we're still at the exact same place we were in August of '23.

I personally think "which QB is better" is the wrong question. It doesn't really matter if Ty is "better" than Milroe. Having a QB who can operate the offense, and make reads, can make such a huge difference, beyond just being a good passer.

For what it's worth i am on the side of giving Ty a chance. I'm just not going to get worked up about it at all because I just have very limited information.

ok, but your original statement wasn't about Saban and Co, it was about 'insiders'. I don't recall insiders talking up Mac that much. that's the point.

That's the part you were addressing. But I actually did included Saban and DeBoer in my post. The 2 paragraphs were connected in how I reached my current conclusion so yes I brought up Saban again.

Ultimately all I'm saying is I have very limited information on these QBs. All I know is 2 good coaches have continued to start Milroe without giving Ty much of a look at all. And the bigger name insiders have largely said since last year that we don't have a truly elite QB on the level of other QBs we've had recently.

So, yes I would like to see Ty get a shot but at this point I feel forced to believe Ty must not be that great right now, at least in practice. And that those insiders are right that we just simply don't have anyone on the roster who is that great.

Obviously I cannot know for sure and maybe when Ty gets his shot here or elsewhere he'll prove that he should have been starting all along. I just don't have enough information to feel comfortable making the assumption that he is definitely better or that it is definitely the right move to play him.

 

[CrimsonTitles]

We won't have to wait till next year to find out what the staff thinks. If we decide not to portal in a one year rental QB, then that will tell us that the staff really does love Ty. If he transfers, and we portal someone in, then maybe the detractors were right

 

[SkullDuckery]

I guess my feeling on this is that if Ty looked a LOT better in practice Saban and or DeBoer would have played him. That doesn't mean Ty isn't better right now but he must not be showing that he is significantly better. But what do I know?

The thing that keeps popping in my head is all the insiders last year saying "There is no Tua/Bryce/Mac on this roster" They said it time and time again. At this point I feel like I am forced to believe them.

We don’t need those guys, we need a gmac, AJ, or Coker to distribute the ball to all our NFL talent.

 

[RammerJammer14]

We won't have to wait till next year to find out what the staff thinks. If we decide not to portal in a one year rental QB, then that will tell us that the staff really does love Ty. If he transfers, and we portal someone in, then maybe the detractors were right

If Ty transfers, they will have to portal someone regardless, just for depth

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

We don’t need those guys, we need a gmac, AJ, or Coker to distribute the ball to all our NFL talent.

Yeah I don't disagree. But maybe Ty isn't that. Idk 🤷‍♂️.

 

[mlh]

We don’t need those guys, we need a gmac, AJ, or Coker to distribute the ball to all our NFL talent.

GMac, with his cerebral faculties, would've been incredible in CKD's offense.

 

[JDCrimson]

Everything is so scripted in practice its really hard to separate yourself from your competition. I suspect that JM does better in practice maybe even sees the intermediate open receivers.

Just like with Bray Hubbard, all it takes for a player to take the next step in their play is a chance to play when the game is on the line. Other than USF, Ty has not gotten that chance.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I guess my feeling on this is that if Ty looked a LOT better in practice Saban and or DeBoer would have played him. That doesn't mean Ty isn't better right now but he must not be showing that he is significantly better. But what do I know?

The thing that keeps popping in my head is all the insiders last year saying "There is no Tua/Bryce/Mac on this roster" They said it time and time again. At this point I feel like I am forced to believe them.

For me it's either one of two things and one is not so bad and the other means we're in trouble at the QB position.

1. CKD, like Saban, is loyal to his starter and it takes A LOT for him to pull him.

2. Ty Simpson simply isn't good enough to trust with a series or two in a game when the game still matters.


If number two is the case we're in big trouble at the QB position and better hope Milroe comes back next season so Austin Mack and the new kid in the 2025 class can start developing.

 

[Tidewater]

For me it's either one of two things and one is not so bad and the other means we're in trouble at the QB position.

1. CKD, like Saban, is loyal to his starter and it takes A LOT for him to pull him.

2. Ty Simpson simply isn't good enough to trust with a series or two in a game when the game still matters.


If number two is the case we're in big trouble at the QB position and better hope Milroe comes back next season so Austin Mack and the new kid in the 2025 class can start developing.

I suspect that there is some pop psychology going on.
A big part of playing QB is self-confidence. QB's tend to be full of themselves. By design.
Bench a guy when he screws up and you may never get his self-confidence back, then you are stuck with the back-up, no matter how he plays.

 

[davefrat]

Different coaches view changing QB's differently. You've got people like Saban, who was very loyal to his starter, and long after people thought Hurts should have been pulled, he's still playing, we're still struggling on offense, and Tua is sitting there twiddling his thumbs. Whereas someone like Sarkisian would have long pulled him and put in Tua. Heck, Sark pulled Ewers in the UGA and inserted Manning just to try and change momentum. It didn't work, but that's not the point. Sarks "trigger" on pulling a QB is much quicker than Saban's. Saban would have NEVER done that in a regular season game. It took it being a title game and assistant coaches convincing him to do it. And it worked. But he was on the verge of letting the entire ship sink over one QB.

I have no idea what type of coach CKD is when it comes that. It seems he is very loyal to his starter, and there is nothing wrong with that. If that's who you are, then that's who you are. But personally, I would have been strategically giving series to Simpson post USCe game for two reasons. One, is to give Milroe some time on the sidelines to watch and send a subtle message that this job isn't yours just because you show up, and two, to send a message to the team that "I give opportunities when the starter isn't performing". It also gives Simpson a head start on next season much like Mac Jones got those end of the season reps in 2019 that definitely helped him in 2020.

Strange thing, but if GA had more game film on Tua, maybe we don't beat them in the 2018 NC game.

They were shellshocked by his performance in that game.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Strange thing, but if GA had more game film on Tua, maybe we don't beat them in the 2018 NC game.

They were shellshocked by his performance in that game.

It's a real thing, teams prep all week for what and who they think they're going to see and teams don't have an unlimited amount of time to prepare for everything. So they watch film and prep from what they've put on film. So when a backup comes in, odds are there wasn't much prep time, if any, for that player. That player could be much different than the starter. Look at LSU and aTm. LSU didn't prep at all for Marcel Reese and though he ran a simple zone read the LSU defense spent all week prepping for the starter, who is more of a straight drop back passer. It burnt them like toast.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

For me it's either one of two things and one is not so bad and the other means we're in trouble at the QB position.

1. CKD, like Saban, is loyal to his starter and it takes A LOT for him to pull him.

2. Ty Simpson simply isn't good enough to trust with a series or two in a game when the game still matters.


If number two is the case we're in big trouble at the QB position and better hope Milroe comes back next season so Austin Mack and the new kid in the 2025 class can start developing.

I do think it is possible that Ty is better but just not good enough to bench Milroe who clearly has been a leader within the team. Idk. It's all guessing at this point.

I do think we should maybe temper expectations for Ty if/when he does start though. Maybe others are right and he'll be a gamer when he gets his chance but I just wouldn't bet on it at this point.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I do think it is possible that Ty is better but just not good enough to bench Milroe who clearly has been a leader within the team. Idk. It's all guessing at this point.

I do think we should maybe temper expectations for Ty if/when he does start though. Maybe others are right and he'll be a gamer when he gets his chance but I just wouldn't bet on it at this point.

I don't expect Simpson to be the second coming of Mac Jones. I just expect him to be able to run the offense that CKD wants to run and be more of a game manager like McCarron or Coker. But apparently he doesn't do much of a better job now at that or CKD is very loyal to his starters, just as Saban was. Saban was so loyal he'd dang near go down with the ship before making a change.

But if Simpson isn't any better at running the offense than Milroe currently is, then our QB room already has problems for 2025.