IT'S IMMIGRATION STUPID!
Edit - from the who will win thread/poll here, congrats(?) to:
Edit - from the who will win thread/poll here, congrats(?) to:
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BREAKING trump wins, why?
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That's only one of the many reasons why. Lots of people held their nose and voted for him because they didn't want a repeat of the last 4 years.
Yup, many reasons but (illegal) immigration, IMO, was probably the most motivating amung voters.
Being female, 'black', part of the current administration with continual poor ratings, inflation (although greatly improving), gross disinformation on biased sites all didn't help much either.
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Nixon won by a landslide in '72. No one would admit voting for him two years later. Americans won't ever take responsibility for their actions. We are children.
Because he went against a horribly ran campaign.
I know we have a few posters that will never let anything be said on the lines “Blame the Democrats†but after losing twice to a man like Trump… how can you not?
The truth is that we are firmly a center right electorate. And I’m sure I’m going to get some random poll that suggests we are progressive or that young people matter in an election but the cold hard truth is that the people who vote are old, white, and religious not young, educated, and progressive. The same people who were energized to vote for Reagan, Bush, and Bill are the ones that are energized to get to the voting booth to vote on the economy, past fears, and for Israel.
In short… the Democrats made two fatal mistakes. 1) they believed that the midterms showed that abortion was a major national issue that could give them the White House and basically based 2024 around it. And 2) they allowed Biden to run unopposed with no back up plan. For the latter it was obvious to anyone that wasn’t so drunk on the DNC punch that Biden was going to have trouble winning for the past two years. There should have been a plan B and potentially a Plan C. Pushing a bad candidate in from 2020 unopposed on short notice was not ever going be a good strategy. And anyone that was being realistic knew that. I’m not shocked that Trump won. I’m shocked how easily he did it.
TBH I think the Democrats would do better in presidential elections by cutting the progressives out of the party and going back to the right like they did after the Reagan dynasty. But they have expanded to the left every election because they thought 2008 was a sign of the future of American political belief.
I know we have a few posters that will never let anything be said on the lines “Blame the Democrats†but after losing twice to a man like Trump… how can you not?
The truth is that we are firmly a center right electorate. And I’m sure I’m going to get some random poll that suggests we are progressive or that young people matter in an election but the cold hard truth is that the people who vote are old, white, and religious not young, educated, and progressive. The same people who were energized to vote for Reagan, Bush, and Bill are the ones that are energized to get to the voting booth to vote on the economy, past fears, and for Israel.
In short… the Democrats made two fatal mistakes. 1) they believed that the midterms showed that abortion was a major national issue that could give them the White House and basically based 2024 around it. And 2) they allowed Biden to run unopposed with no back up plan. For the latter it was obvious to anyone that wasn’t so drunk on the DNC punch that Biden was going to have trouble winning for the past two years. There should have been a plan B and potentially a Plan C. Pushing a bad candidate in from 2020 unopposed on short notice was not ever going be a good strategy. And anyone that was being realistic knew that. I’m not shocked that Trump won. I’m shocked how easily he did it.
TBH I think the Democrats would do better in presidential elections by cutting the progressives out of the party and going back to the right like they did after the Reagan dynasty. But they have expanded to the left every election because they thought 2008 was a sign of the future of American political belief.
I would agree that a contested primary would have helped highlight the shortcomings of Biden.
Once Biden got the nomination, and money started to pour in, if the Democrats had gone with someone besides Harris, then the Biden-Harris money would not have automatically gone to that nominee like it did to Harris.
In hindsight, if Biden had stepped aside (from the 2024 race but not the remainder of his presidential term) after the mid-terms and said, "Look, I set out to defeat Trump, and I did defeat him. We have the Senate, nearly got the House. Time to pass the torch and for someone younger to take over from here," it probably would have been better for the party and maybe the country. That would not have precluded Harris from running, but it would have forced her to earn the nomination by wining votes.
It was all about the timing. November 2022 was the time for Joe to decide.
My argument was more that Biden shouldn’t have ran in 2024 all together. Or at the very least there should have been a more active role by Harris in running it.
The biggest issue is that she was having to make decisions in 2-3 months that would have already been made 5-6 months prior in terms of platform and structure. She really was hoping for a miracle from the start. Honestly if Vance wasn’t Trump’s VP then I think she wouldn’t have any shot whatsoever.
$200 or so for a couple of sacks of groceries didn’t help. It gets down to real basic stuff for a lot of middle class couples with a couple of kids. IMHO, presidents, ALL presidents, get more credit than what’s deserved when things go well and more blame than what’s deserved when they don’t. Even though the world is far too complicated for it to be otherwise, the buck stops there.
I agree (with the bolded part). I just think for the good of the party and the country, November 2022 (or very soon thereafter) was the last safe moment to make that decision.
Immigration (illegal), cumulative inflation since 2020, the democratic party embracing significantly progressive cultural issues (abortion at basically any gestational age, LGBTQ rights, rejection of basic biology as far as gender, etc): I think the democrats' stance on the above cost them the election.
It doesnt matter what the Democrats woulda coulda shoulda done. This outcome was about the collective character of our nation voting for such an abhorrent person thinking somehow their self interest will be improved. This transcends politics. Our nation cant be counted on for anything internationally anymore.
The United States irreversibly changed last night and not for the better.
The United States irreversibly changed last night and not for the better.
I dont think that his voters will act like that in 2 years. They already know what sort of person that they voted for and they are mostly OK with that.
This statement is as ridiculous as I've seen.
Comedy imitating reality.
Frustrated Democrats To Consider Letting Voters Pick The Presidential Candidate Next Time
Frustrated Democrats To Consider Letting Voters Pick The Presidential Candidate Next Time
I think more than one takeaway can be true.
America is mostly all the 'isms and 'phobics but in addiction to that America cares more about their own monetary self interests than any kind of societal/cultural issues.
We can all just be as morally bankrupt as can be as long as a carton of Eggs might be $0.50 cheaper.
It's pathetic. We are a shameful nation.
I think the grocery prices were a convenient excuse to vote for Trump. Let's say the next 4 years the grocery prices increase even more. Do you honestly think all the people that voted Republican in 2024 are going to flip to Democrat because their eggs have gone up?
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