The Decline of the DNC II

[Bamabuzzard]

I once had a poll worker greet me by name and then ask for my ID.

It's probably a procedure, and they are audited by that procedure. I have a friend who owns a restaurant that sells alcohol. It is law that anyone who orders alcohol show their ID regardless. If they get caught not following that procedure, they get hefty fines. He knows both my wife and me and when we're there ordering, even if he's the one serving us, he asks for the ID. I can almost promise you it has nothing to do with them knowing you but following a procedure.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I once had a poll worker greet me by name and then ask for my ID.

Probably the norm and if we hadn't been rural then probably the same for me. Plus, things were a bit different 25 years ago.



completely unrelated to this: my ex-uncle and his Dad formed the Republican Party in their home county a little over 50 years ago. They didn't even do this because they were Republicans; in fact, his Dad had been the DEMOCRATIC COUNTY CHAIR and resigned to head up the GOP for the simple reason he thought there should be an actual choice. One of the funny stories they relayed to me is how the Republican turnout in the county was so small in 1973 that they would call around all the voters and open - and close - their primary elections at their polling place within an hour. They'd just make a dozen calls or so, ask, "Can you be there between 9 and 10" and get unanimity, and open shop and close it while there was a line a mile long in the Democratic side.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Democrats lose another top contender in Michigan Senate after Whitmer and Buttigieg bow out

Another top Democratic contender for Michigan’s open Senate seat has begun informing colleagues she will take a pass on the race, according to three people familiar with the conversations, narrowing the field for a seat that Democrats are increasingly worried about whether they can keep next November.

Mayor Pete? Out
Woman Whose Only Qualification For The Job of President Is "She's Kinda Cute"? Out
Incumbent Who Barely Won Last Time? Out

I can understand someone just now elected to the House bypassing a Senate run (McDonald). If you lose, your career is over, and you've got to feel halfway decent that your chances of heading a committee in the House would be good in two years. Plus - if they can't get a big name and the GOP picks it up, you become a frontrunner in 2032 for that same seat.

 

[Huckleberry]

I'm not sure where to post this, but I'll put it here since it relates to Democrats (though I certainly don't think it's part of a decline and support these efforts wholeheartedly).

Democratic Lawmakers Call for Transparency on Member Stock Trading During Trump’s Economic Chaos, Demand Ban be Considered by House | U.S. Congressman Mike Levin

The Official U.S. Congressional website of Congressman Mike Levin

levin.house.gov

Democratic Lawmakers Call for Transparency on Member Stock Trading During Trump’s Economic Chaos, Demand Ban be Considered by House


Today, Democratic Representatives Mike Levin (CA-49), Joe Neguse (CO-02), Seth Magaziner (RI-02), Steven Horsford (NV-04), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (NY-14) and David Min (CA-47) penned a letter to Speaker Mike Johnson requesting that he call on every member of the House of Representatives to immediately file and release their Periodic Trading Reports (PTR) for any transactions conducted between April 2, 2025 and April 9, 2025 – the window in which President Donald Trump and his administration plunged the United States into a reckless trade war, issuing on-again, off-again tariffs on nearly 90 countries, and immediately schedule for a vote legislation to ban stock trading by representatives.

The lawmakers’ correspondence called to attention that Members closest to the President, including many of whom met or were in his presence throughout the course of the whiplash on Wall Street, were in position to profit from the unstable changes in policy.

“It would be unconscionable for any Member of Congress to use their personal position to benefit financially, especially in a time where Americans across the country are experiencing financial chaos,” wrote Reps. Levin, Neguse, Magaziner, Horsford, Ocasio-Cortez, and Min. “Therefore, we respectfully request that you join us in requesting that Members of Congress immediately release their PTRs, rather than the customary 45-day deadline. The American people deserve to know if any representatives took advantage of their positions for personal gain.”

The lawmakers’ request is the latest in a series of commonsense efforts to ensure Members of Congress are effectively representing the interests of the American people, not their own stock portfolios. Neguse and his fellow co-signers have also championed a number of legislative and oversight measures that would require both representatives and their families to place investments, like individual stocks, in a blind trust during their tenure in Congress – effectively banning Members of Congress from trading individual stocks.

 

[Its On A Slab]

I can go along with that, but I think it's worth pointing out that all of the political capital has been squeezed out of a three hour riot from 5 years ago. There just ain't no toothpaste left in the tube.

In one fell swoop, everything the "Back The Blue" folks were pushing turned out to be what I always thought it was: a typical reaction from the usual suspects to protests about police violence against people of color.

Well, police were assaulted on Jan. 6th, and people went to jail for it. Just as those who were caught smashing up things during the Floyd protests.

But Trump pardoned all of the Jan. 6th insurrectionists. You may think it happened 5 years ago, and it's not worth mentioning. But to pardon what many(including myself) to be treasonous acts is something that will always be relevant. As long as this fool is allowed to get away with it. (Nobody in Congress has the cojones to differ with him. Most of them probably condoned the attack.)

Also, see the virulent reaction to Obama's presidency. The Tea Party folks gave two craps about government spending during the Bush years, yet as soon as Obama was elected, they were teabagging on steroids.

 

[cdub55]

All they have to do is be LESS BAD AT POLITICS than a party that is lousy at politics.
Incredibly low bar.

Why do so many liberals/Democrats - who in so many cases either ARE quite intelligent or think they're smarter than everyone else - why in the world can they turn an EASY question on these "voting fraud" Republicans? Why? This is not that difficult.

Instead of dying on the hill of "no voter ID because not everyone has an ID" - we're back at the 0.1% "this is whom we will defend" - why not TURN THE QUESTION on the one pompously insinuating things? Why not ask them for a specific place that doesn't have at least some form of voter ID? "Well, you've made quite the broad accusation there and not provided a scintilla of evidence, can you give me a specific place where people are able to register to vote without some sort of verification of some type?"

first of all, most people making this allegation don't have any specific place they can name that will support them. I know this is anecdotal, but I've ALWAYS had to present an ID when I vote going back to the 1980s when this wasn't as much of an issue. The only exception was when I voted in the 2000 election and one of the poll workers just happened to be our church secretary who knew me, so she verified my address and signed me out the ballot.

Seriously, I've never understood why something so simple cannot be handled by people who will repeatedly look down their noses because "I went to college" at other folks. Remember - these are the exact same people who think you should have to undergo a waiting period to buy a firearm, which of course, mandates some form of (wait for it) identification. I have no problem with a waiting period, I mean, who really cares? I'm all for a background check - but nobody needs to pretend this poppycock will stop even ONE school or mass shooting because it won't.

Why not come up with this one - "Yeah, I'm all for a national ID that every citizen has to have. Show it to vote, show it to buy a gun"? The stridency of "I will die on the hill of no voter ID of ANY kind and will call it 'racist'" is the very thing that makes people think you have a reason for hiding something.

This ain't that difficult, folks.

Great questions. Real dialect. Real answers to real questions. HMMMM, so refreshing...

Maybe the reason we go in circles on idiotic things as such is simply for manipulation. What if they are all just puppets working for the mega-wealthy and stir up controversy to ignore the masses from the issues that really matter. I am an above average debater and could run circles around what I see daily on my television. I would think, like yourself, that we have others who could do the same but we don't ever see those individuals (or rarely), that actually cut the BS and talk about the actual facts and issues at hand. What we do get is a drawn out dramatization of what is happening and most of the time it is just a room full of hot air with no action as the end result. People today would rather be offended than be helped.

 

[cdub55]

Both sides.

You can stand on your hill and look down at the rest of us but I learned a long time ago, for real change to occur, you better turn around from time to time while you are climbing that mountain and see if the rest of the group is still with you...

 

[cdub55]

I once had a poll worker greet me by name and then ask for my ID.

Does your wife know you go to the gentleman's club as much as you do?

 

[CrimsonJazz]

In one fell swoop, everything the "Back The Blue" folks were pushing turned out to be what I always thought it was: a typical reaction from the usual suspects to protests about police violence against people of color.

This is another symptom of the binary idiocy we as Americans have been programmed into incorporating into our would view. The way things were presented, people had TWO choices: defund the police or back the blue (which if we're being honest, was mostly a reaction to the former.) Also, the "defund the police" crowd showed their hands in that situation, too. Suddenly, they were "back the blue" as long as it helped their retarded narrative that the country was on the brink of being overthrown by unarmed cosplayers.

As a more libertarian-minded independent, I was neither. I knew that without a fully-funded law enforcement mechanism, this country would fall into utter chaos with a death toll that would make history books. On the other hand, I was more than familiar with much of the shenanigans engaged in at various levels of law enforcement. Some of the things the FBI did was especially egregious (particularly during the civil rights movement and the cold war.) I viewed both sides with a healthy skepticism.

Also, see the virulent reaction to Obama's presidency. The Tea Party folks gave two craps about government spending during the Bush years, yet as soon as Obama was elected, they were teabagging on steroids.

Agreed. The tea-party wasn't ready for prime time and your point demonstrates one reason why. Many of the people back then who were okay with dropping high explosives on helpless civilians are the same ones today protesting such things. (Mind you, not because they are really anti-war, they are just tired of paying for it. My proof: most of them still have a blind loyalty to zionism, but that's a different discussion.)

 

[Its On A Slab]

You can stand on your hill and look down at the rest of us but I learned a long time ago, for real change to occur, you better turn around from time to time while you are climbing that mountain and see if the rest of the group is still with you...

Agreed. I just sometimes grow tired of the continual "apples and hand grenades" comparisons.

Or having to go down the road constantly of: one of these things is not like the other.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

DNC vice chairman announces primary challenges for 20 House Democrats

Some of us warned you that David Hogg was a disaster in the making.

Hint: we're not racist when we say the same is true about Ponytail Guevarra (AOC).

 

[Crimson1967]

DNC vice chairman announces primary challenges for 20 House Democrats

Some of us warned you that David Hogg was a disaster in the making.

Hint: we're not racist when we say the same is true about Ponytail Guevarra (AOC).

Republicans, of course, will take the opportunity to win a solid D seat and find someone who makes MTG look normal.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Republicans, of course, will take the opportunity to win a solid D seat and find someone who makes MTG look normal.

It’s like they get presented with an opportunity, but want to play repetitive versions of “Who Is The Craziest Person We Can nominate and WIN?”

 

[Huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1912657316861653445

EXCLUSIVE: Buttigieg, Booker, and AOC Lead 2028 Democratic Primary Field Without Harris in the Race

New more precise polling from Zeteo and DFP shows no candidate holds a dominant lead – a contrast with other surveys that have shown Harris ahead.

zeteo.com

2028 National Democratic Primary:

Kamala Harris 18%
Pete Buttigieg 14%
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 12%
Cory Booker 12%
Gavin Newsom 8%
Josh Shapiro 5%
Tim Walz 4%
J.B. Pritzker 4%
Gretchen Whitmer 4%
Jon Stewart 2%
Amy Klobuchar 2%
Andy Beshear 2%
Mark Cuban 2%
Chris Murphy 1%
Wes Moore 1%
Stephen A. Smith 0%
Jasmine Crockett 0%
Raphael Warnock 0%
Shawn Fain 0%

 

[selmaborntidefan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1912657316861653445

EXCLUSIVE: Buttigieg, Booker, and AOC Lead 2028 Democratic Primary Field Without Harris in the Race

New more precise polling from Zeteo and DFP shows no candidate holds a dominant lead – a contrast with other surveys that have shown Harris ahead.

zeteo.com

2028 National Democratic Primary:

Kamala Harris 18%
Pete Buttigieg 14%
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 12%
Cory Booker 12%
Gavin Newsom 8%
Josh Shapiro 5%
Tim Walz 4%
J.B. Pritzker 4%
Gretchen Whitmer 4%
Jon Stewart 2%
Amy Klobuchar 2%
Andy Beshear 2%
Mark Cuban 2%
Chris Murphy 1%
Wes Moore 1%
Stephen A. Smith 0%
Jasmine Crockett 0%
Raphael Warnock 0%
Shawn Fain 0%

I honestly wish nobody would poll on who is the "front runner" for an election nearly four years in the future. EVERY single one of those polls shows "the name most well-known by most people" will pretty much always lead in the early polls, before the slugging begins. The frontrunners Muske (72), Teddy Kennedy (76), Gary Hart (88), Mario Cuomo (92), Al Gore and then Howard Dean (04), Hillary (08), and Bernie (20) either didn't run or didn't win if they did run, but all of them had well-known names. The Republicans were always more "whose turn is it" in their approach (prior to Dubya), but it would be difficult to find a GOP nominee who was NOT the early leader except for Giuliani in 2008.

In all honesty, how many voters who were NOT political "junkies" had much of an idea about John Kerry in 2001 or 2002 or even most of 2003?

When the Bush campaign held the focus group in New Jersey to figure out how to beat Michael Dukakis - this was Memorial Day weekend 1988, mind you - they polled two different rooms of 20 NJ (more of a swing state then) voters who said they'd voted for Reagan but were for Dukakis. When they polled the rooms, they learned some stuff that shocked them - most of them could not name a single thing about Bush other than he'd been the VP, they knew even less about Dukakis, and exactly one knew that Dukakis was "the governor of a northeastern state, not sure which one."

The level of knowledge by the voters was atrocious, and I suspect it's even worse today despite the presence of social media and the Internet.

 

[spidermayin]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1912657316861653445

EXCLUSIVE: Buttigieg, Booker, and AOC Lead 2028 Democratic Primary Field Without Harris in the Race

New more precise polling from Zeteo and DFP shows no candidate holds a dominant lead – a contrast with other surveys that have shown Harris ahead.

zeteo.com

2028 National Democratic Primary:

Kamala Harris 18%
Pete Buttigieg 14%
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 12%
Cory Booker 12%
Gavin Newsom 8%
Josh Shapiro 5%
Tim Walz 4%
J.B. Pritzker 4%
Gretchen Whitmer 4%
Jon Stewart 2%
Amy Klobuchar 2%
Andy Beshear 2%
Mark Cuban 2%
Chris Murphy 1%
Wes Moore 1%
Stephen A. Smith 0%
Jasmine Crockett 0%
Raphael Warnock 0%
Shawn Fain 0%

My top choices from that list above would be Shapiro and Buttigieg.

 

[AWRTR]

My top choices from that list above would be Shapiro and Buttigieg.

Shapiro would be a legit contender in a general election, but as a Jewish person he won't get out of a primary in todays Democratic Party.

Buttigeig likes Choo-choo trains and taking long paternity leaves and no one noticing he was gone.

 

[AWRTR]

This would be a wild day.

Pollster Nate Silver calls Ocasio-Cortez most likely to be 2028 Democratic presidential nominee

Progressive lawmaker Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., is the likeliest person to be the Democratic Party's 2028 presidential nominee, according to pollster Nate Silver.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Crimson1967]

Republicans are thrilled with Silver’s prediction.

Yes, the leaders are people everyone has heard of. At this point in 1973, nobody even knew who Jimmy Carter was and Spiro Agnew was the perceived front runner.

A poll like this for Republican voters would see Vance and DeSantis leading the pack if they aren’t allowed to pick Trump.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

This would be a wild day.

Pollster Nate Silver calls Ocasio-Cortez most likely to be 2028 Democratic presidential nominee

Progressive lawmaker Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., is the likeliest person to be the Democratic Party's 2028 presidential nominee, according to pollster Nate Silver.

www.foxnews.com

“Media savvy?”

I mean, Nate Silver is a smart man, but come on. Just watch her with the sound off and you will find how effective of a candidate she or anyone else will be. That pretend valley girl side head bob with lips wide open like she’s saying, “Look, girl, he a MAN and he don’t luv you, he loves ME” like it’s hall walk to the lunchroom is laughable. So is the idea that once the upstate NYers find out what she’s actually said that they’ll replace Schumer.

Now, if Nate is saying, “The Democrats are 100% dumb enough and drink the Kool-Aid enough do nominate her,” then l agree with him.

There have been many, many candidates who look like powerhouses and then get into presidential politics and find themselves repeatedly quoted, saying things and a number of them come apart with basic scrutiny. Remember those who thought DeSantis would be a good candidate to get past Trump? I’m old enough to remember when astronaut and Senator John Glenn was considered a powerhouse due to name recognition, patriotism, and “The Right Stuff” being released just before the campaign began in earnest. Glenn collapsed almost immediately but in the process absolutely mauled the Mondale campaign with the label “the candidate of the special interests”, a label Mondale never shook and then made worse with his VP search (“See, I’m interviewing a black, now a Jew, now some women”), to the point Reagan battered him in an environment of 7.5% unemployment. Lloyd Bentsen (1976) and Bob Kerrey (1992) were two others. In fact, Jimmy Carter totally believed Bentsen would be the last man standing challenging him.

AOC would be a colossal disaster to nominate. You’d think a party that has convinced themselves that the reason Harris lost was because of racism and sexism would realize that AOC is: a)a woman; b) not white. But maybe they have persuaded themselves that this is the exception to the rule. Just get ready for the fact that after she loses, they always knew that she would because “racism and sexism.”