Yall are funny with the whole sins of your father thing. This was 30 years ago not 5 generations. Also these aren’t random “white people.†These are Afrikaaner land owners. You know the ones with the whole Apartheid thing.
Expedited citizenship for Afrikaaner "refugees"
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My take on this is this. Is a particular refugee someone whose government is incompetent at protecting this or that group of people (e.g. most of Latin America) or is the government itself the threat (e.g. Nazi Germany vs the Jews).
If the answer is the former, then I say, "Well, vote for a better government. This is not the US' problem."
If the latter, then yes, those are legitimate refugees.
In either case, the same standard ought to be applied to all those claiming refugees status, regardless of their race or color. If the government is the agency doing the oppressing, fine, but if your government sucks at its job, tough. Not my problem.
In South Africa, it appears to be the latter. The Boers ought to buy lots of ammo or secede from South Africa. In all of Latin America, it is the latter. Neither should be granted refugee status in the US.
If the answer is the former, then I say, "Well, vote for a better government. This is not the US' problem."
If the latter, then yes, those are legitimate refugees.
In either case, the same standard ought to be applied to all those claiming refugees status, regardless of their race or color. If the government is the agency doing the oppressing, fine, but if your government sucks at its job, tough. Not my problem.
In South Africa, it appears to be the latter. The Boers ought to buy lots of ammo or secede from South Africa. In all of Latin America, it is the latter. Neither should be granted refugee status in the US.
Compare the dangers the South Africans face by staying in SA versus the dangers people from Central and South America face.
Connect THOSE dots.
We aren’t funny we are serious. Your post is dark thinking. If it was 30 years ago a person that is 45 years was 15 with no vote or influence. They didn’t do it. A 25 year old wasn’t born. You cast a wide net and directly referenced descendants of people that were involved in apartheid. Nice try but no dice. It’s a terrible way of thinking.
What constitutes a "genocide?"
This article from 2017 says there were 74 farm murders, but does break down the victims by race. Even if all the victims were of one ethnic group, 74 is hardly a genocide.
This source presents the numbers 2019-2023. ~500 attacks on farmers resulted in ~60 deaths in 2019. In 2023, ~308 attacks resulted in ~36 deaths. Troubling (it stinks whenever anyone gets attacked on account of their race), but hardly "genocide."
This article from 2017 says there were 74 farm murders, but does break down the victims by race. Even if all the victims were of one ethnic group, 74 is hardly a genocide.
This source presents the numbers 2019-2023. ~500 attacks on farmers resulted in ~60 deaths in 2019. In 2023, ~308 attacks resulted in ~36 deaths. Troubling (it stinks whenever anyone gets attacked on account of their race), but hardly "genocide."
I think we are about on the same page regardless of my whole they are most likely racists side rant.
Best i can tell they've already moved to having armed militia to dissuade attacks. I think most likely they want to move because #1 there are bills being bounced around to seize their land which TBH sounds bad, but let's not act like we care when this happens anywhere else in the world and #2 the infrastructure is crumbling to the point, they don't have reliable electricity.
Getting citizenship elsewhere is expensive. I guess in that case if I were them I'd claim to be refugee and try and get a free US citizenship.
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I am sickened by the degree to which refugee status has been cheapened.
"My country sucks" is not a reason to grant refugee status in my book, but the way refugee laws are written, that might be enough.
And I think there is a difference between the government murdering you because you are the wrong race and the government taking your land. The latter, sucks, but it is different from being murdered.
I'm always amused at the "I'm not racist, but...." bit and the pearl-clutching when the notion is brought up.
What follows is always predictable.
What follows is always predictable.
We have Afghans who helped us during our military's time in Afghanistan - threatened with being sent back to the Taliban. And even Kristi Noem pooh-poohs that notion. These people are going back to be killed.
www.nbcnews.com
I met a kid at a party in Omaha a few years ago. For all intents and purposes, he seemed like a normal American kid. No accent that I could tell. He was going to school at Univ. of Neb. - Omaha.
As the night went on, he started telling me his back story. He grew up in a family in Kabul where his Dad was an English teacher. So he learned English from an early age. When the war started, he started working as a translator for the US military.
He told me he got out when he learned that there was a price on his head. I am pretty sure I know his fate if he's sent back to Kabul.
Noem's claim that Afghan refugees can safely return to their homeland is 'just absurd,' advocates say
Lawmakers, including some Republicans, said the administration was jeopardizing the lives of those who had stood by the United States.
I met a kid at a party in Omaha a few years ago. For all intents and purposes, he seemed like a normal American kid. No accent that I could tell. He was going to school at Univ. of Neb. - Omaha.
As the night went on, he started telling me his back story. He grew up in a family in Kabul where his Dad was an English teacher. So he learned English from an early age. When the war started, he started working as a translator for the US military.
He told me he got out when he learned that there was a price on his head. I am pretty sure I know his fate if he's sent back to Kabul.
Re: my remark about Wallace and wondering how far he could have gone without the accent and saying the ugly parts out loud. To reach down among all those aspirants facing death at home and select this, is a way of saying the ugly parts via smoke signal...
Also known as the age-old "dog whistle". It's still in the playbook. Unfortunately.
You know, there really is a simple solution to all this. Listen to what the states are telling you and act accordingly. The red states claim they will be happy to take the SA "refugees" (or whatever we're calling them) so take them at their word and send them there. The Democrat-run sanctuary cities claim they want the Somalis, so send them to Nantucket and Aspen. (Just not Martha's Vineyard; that didn't work out so well last time.) This way, everyone gets what they want and everyone will be happy with the outcome, guaranteed. I don't know why folks insist on making things complicated. If I didn't know any better, I might be tempted to think they aren't serious people.
Veen diagram for you
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 since you don't "know any better."
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 since you don't "know any better."
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I think for consistency purposes, any conservative who has been a part of the "we don't need any more immigrants right now" crowd (as I have) needs to say the same thing about these "white people" from South Africa. Whatever they're going through, I hate it, but the optics scream "racist" when we've been wanting illegals to be booted, and no one else around the globe to come here because of our debt problem, and because our current immigration line is already stacked miles long.
Again, I hate it for them, but I don't care what color they are, we've already got an immigration line years long, while also trying to get those who don't need to be here out, on top of solving a massive debt issue. Red, yellow, black, or white, I don't care; they don't need to be brought here. I guess I'll be ordering my Grinch costume a little earlier this year. 🤷â€Â♂ï¸Â
And I’m completely with you. At the end of the day, there really is no consistency here. That was really my whole point in getting involved in this thread in the first place. After all, the opposite holds true regarding optics. Both the left and the right sound outrageously racist right now.
On a side note, Arthur Bremer’s probation officially ended today in the state of Maryland, 53 years after he shot Wallace and three others. He is 74 and was released from prison in 2007.
How many of those Afghan’s that helped us were left behind in the totally botched withdrawal?We have Afghans who helped us during our military's time in Afghanistan - threatened with being sent back to the Taliban. And even Kristi Noem pooh-poohs that notion. These people are going back to be killed.
Noem's claim that Afghan refugees can safely return to their homeland is 'just absurd,' advocates say
Lawmakers, including some Republicans, said the administration was jeopardizing the lives of those who had stood by the United States.
I met a kid at a party in Omaha a few years ago. For all intents and purposes, he seemed like a normal American kid. No accent that I could tell. He was going to school at Univ. of Neb. - Omaha.
As the night went on, he started telling me his back story. He grew up in a family in Kabul where his Dad was an English teacher. So he learned English from an early age. When the war started, he started working as a translator for the US military.
He told me he got out when he learned that there was a price on his head. I am pretty sure I know his fate if he's sent back to Kabul.
To be fair, jurisdiction over a topic does not necessarily mean exclusive jurisdiction over a topic.
Art. I, Section 8 delegates powers to the federal government.
The Constitution does not delegate powers to the states because they already had powers when the Constitution was drafted.
Prohibitions on state powers are listed in Art. I, Section 10. That section starts with, "No state shall ..."
But I will concede the point that states should not regulate immigration.
It seems like a moot point, though, since no one advocated that states should regulate immigration (at least on this thread.) But like Kyle from South Park is wont to say, I think I've learned something today. A modest proposal might not be understood or recognized, but that doesn't mean it was a total waste. One might even earn a veen diagram (whatever that is.) 😉
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