BREAKING Israel launches preemptive attacks against Iran (US bombs Iran)...

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Texas Republican congressman Roger Williams on Trump supporting Israel against Iran: "I think President Trump is right... Look, it’s biblical, okay. I’m one of those. It’s biblical. We support Israel. Israel is our friend. We need to be with them."
Nice to know he would stand with Isreal while they crucify Jesus.

I'm so tired of dumb Christians in congress. My Bible doesn't say anything about having to always support Isreal in every dumb war it starts. I mean, even God abandoned Isreal on a number of occasions and let armies defeat them. I think we will be just fine with God if we sit this one out for now.
 

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Nice to know he would stand with Isreal while they crucify Jesus.

I'm so tired of dumb Christians in congress. My Bible doesn't say anything about having to always support Isreal in every dumb war it starts. I mean, even God abandoned Isreal on a number of occasions and let armies defeat them. I think we will be just fine with God if we sit this one out for now.
Yeah he kinda let Persia, Babylon, Rome, and the Ottomans conquer it. So I really don’t think it’s our duty to the Almighty to make sure they are safe. Hell if you want to be technical then the Arabs have just as much claim as being from Abraham. Even the Ethiopians and Persians themselves have claims of having the line of David within them to a degree.

The problem is Israel has been enabled by the US into being a bully because we have far too many neocons and people who won’t move past the 1930’s and 40’s that constantly defend everything they do no matter how bad it is. If they want to fight Iran… then let them. If they want to fight Egypt… let them. But once we get involved in wars they started and wars that are directly caused by draconian policies that they implement then we are making alot more people mad at us and creating more problems economically and in terms of allies for us.

If Israel is being attacked unprovoked then it’s one thing, but when they are attacking someone else unprovoked then it’s something totally different
 
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If Israel is being attacked unprovoked then it’s one thing, but when they are attacking someone else unprovoked then it’s something totally different
Not here to defend Israel but there's zero question Iran has attacked them repeatedly via proxy. I don't think this latest flurry of activity is remotely 'unprovoked'.

I still don't believe we should be involved but if Canada was treating us like Iran treats Israel we'd want to burn that country to the ground.
 

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Not here to defend Israel but there's zero question Iran has attacked them repeatedly via proxy. I don't think this latest flurry of activity is remotely 'unprovoked'.

I still don't believe we should be involved but if Canada was treating us like Iran treats Israel we'd want to burn that country to the ground.
Then why didn’t we nuke China and Russia for Korea and Vietnam. At some point the “by proxy” argument becomes a weaker excuse for what Israel is currently doing when you consider how other major countries deal with the “attacked by proxy” issues and the fact that Israel has taken more measured responses towards Iran in other countries when ‘retaliating’. Then adding to the fact is that Netanyahu shifts his reasoning for the attack on Iran everytime some reporter with a backbone calls him out on it. Color me skeptical but I only see this as a way to maintain legacy and power for Netanyahu as his popularity is crashing internationally.
 
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I saw this earlier today. Tucker has upped his game since getting bounced from FN. Clearly the independent Tucker is the best Tucker.
He still has a very MAGA agenda but he is exposing the dunder heads in government and FOX’s agenda. But then again… it’s Ted Cruz. A guy who kisses the rear of a man that insulted his wife and kids, and accused his father as plotting to kill JFK. Sometimes I think Kasich and Jeb are the last Republicans who ran for president that had any integrity and self worth.
 
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He still has a very MAGA agenda but he is exposing the dunder heads in government and FOX’s agenda. But then again… it’s Ted Cruz. A guy who kisses the rear of a man that insulted his wife and kids, and accused his father as plotting to kill JFK. Sometimes I think Kasich and Jeb are the last Republicans who ran for president that had any integrity and self worth.
Jeb's big problem was the Bush/Clinton fatigue that everyone seemed to know about except the Bush and Clinton clans. I wasn't at all surprised when he lost the primary, even to Trump. And Clinton? She "won" the primary only because Dem primaries are a joke and have been for a while now. (Ask any "Bernie-Bro" about that.

It's true that Tuck does steer in the MAGA direction, but he's not afraid to take a decidedly non-MAGA stance on any given issue. He's also unafraid to talk about things that fall outside the purview of mainstream press limits. Sometimes he can be a little "out there" but it's refreshing to hear someone actually acknowledge certain issues that no one else wants to touch. I also like that he's unafraid to sling arrows at the sacred cows of journalism (like Bob Woodward.)
 

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If God is on Isreal's side, then Iran will fall like the Walls of Jericho. They dont need US help.

In the midst, maybe a war hero from the Mossad will emerge and capture Israel's heart and Netanyahu will drive himself mad like King Saul. God can solve two problems at the same time...
 
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If God is on Isreal's side, then Iran will fall like the Walls of Jericho. They dont need US help.

In the midst, maybe a war hero from the Mossad will emerge and capture Israel's heart and Netanyahu will drive himself mad like King Saul. God can solve two problems at the same time...
Bibi has been a mad king ever since he realized that he would never be remembered like his brother Yonathan.
 

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Then why didn’t we nuke China and Russia for Korea and Vietnam.
Because none of those countries attacked us similar to 9/11 like Iran did on Oct 7th. Nor have any of those had ongoing attacks against our people like Iran has against Israel.

We've never faced the near-constant attacks that Israel has by being surround by the religion of pieces.
 

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Because none of those countries attacked us similar to 9/11 like Iran did on Oct 7th. Nor have any of those had ongoing attacks against our people like Iran has against Israel.

We've never faced the near-constant attacks that Israel has by being surround by the religion of pieces.
I just disagree with the proportionality and logic behind the attacks. Israel does ALOT to keep the violence in the Middle East going too. There is a reason that they are finding very few people coming to their side in this conflict.
 
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I just disagree with the proportionality and logic behind the attacks. Israel does ALOT to keep the violence in the Middle East going too. There is a reason that they are finding very few people coming to their side in this conflict.
You are certainly steadfast in your dislike for Israel’s part in this conflict. I don’t know what nations are not siding with Israel, outside of the usual suspects. Europe is largely supporting Israel against Iran. We will see if it goes fapurther than lip service if needed. Hopefully this conflict will end soon.
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LONDON—Speaking to German media at the Group of Seven leaders summit in Canada, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said Israel is doing the “dirty work” for others.
“I can only say I have the greatest respect for the fact that the Israeli army and the Israeli government had the courage to do this,” Merz said.
European leaders joined the U.S., Canada and Japan at the G-7 summit this week to declare that Israel has a right to defend itself, and agree that Iran should never be allowed to build nuclear weapons. A joint statement signed at the summit also said Iran was the “principal source of regional instability and terror.”
 
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I can’t help but think this was discussed when Netanyahu visited Washington last month.

Would it be more palatable to people if they didn’t frame it as nukes or WMD’s ? If they just said Iran is the head of the snake that spawned Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthi‘s acts of violence against Israel.
 
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I can’t help but think this was discussed when Netanyahu visited Washington last month.

Would it be more palatable to people if they didn’t frame it as nukes or WMD’s ? If they just said Iran is the head of the snake that spawned Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthi‘s acts of violence against Israel.
No. It would still be seen as two unpopular leaders leading the world into a senseless major Middle Eastern war.
 
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Israel informed the US that if they are not able to take out Iran's Fordo nuclear facility with bunker-busting bombs, they may "do it with humans."

Personally, I believe humans are exactly what it's going to take. Despite its weight, that bomb is only 31.5" in diameter. The objective is purported to be half again as the rated penetration of the weapon. After the first one detonates, what happens to the material in the bottom? It would be like trying to drive a series of nails into one hole. I imagine a mole trying to dig a tunnel but not having anywhere to deposit the spoil behind him. I just don't have any faith in it. As I said earlier, maybe collapse the vents and the entrance tunnel, but someone is going to have to mop up...
 

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Personally, I believe humans are exactly what it's going to take. Despite its weight, that bomb is only 31.5" in diameter. The objective is purported to be half again as the rated penetration of the weapon. After the first one detonates, what happens to the material in the bottom? It would be like trying to drive a series of nails into one hole. I imagine a mole trying to dig a tunnel but not having anywhere to deposit the spoil behind him. I just don't have any faith in it. As I said earlier, maybe collapse the vents and the entrance tunnel, but someone is going to have to mop up...
I think you are right. Dirt is the friend of those in targets and 300 feet of dirt is a lot of protection.
Sending in humans is no guarantee either. First, it is probably hard to even get in the facility.
Then, they is probably a quick reaction forces not far away. (In a lot of Middle Eastern countries, the army undertaking a coup is the main threat, so army units normally have no ammo and are not authorized to move in the event of an attack. They have to be told to move in the event of an attack). This creates a window of opportunity. Israel's. conventional bombing probably greatly reduced that window, because the political leadership in Tehran see the Israelis are serious, so the risk calculus has changed.
If the Israelis were going to send in humans, it would have been much better to have done that before the conventional bombing, so the regular peacetime Iranian procedures would still be in effect at Fardow.
 

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