Immigration and Customs Enforcement (I.C.E.)

[bamaga]

You do not have to be a US citizen to serve in the US military. Indeed many immigrants will serve in the military to accelerate their citizenship applications.
I can't say why this son of a serving US soldier was deported.

When I served, In the Eighties, we had quite a few citizens of the Phillipines serving in the USNavy

 

[bamaga]

Nazis did this in 1930s Germany as well, but I'm fearmongoring when I bring this up.


You folks arguing about masks are missing the bigger issue. No uniform, no identifying markings of any kind, no badges. Wearing a mask is the least of the problems here. Like one of the witnesses stated, they didn't know it was an arrest or a hate crime.

I might be able to come to terms with wearing a mask and no name tag, but they should all be in uniforms with a badge on the front and very clearly visible ICE markings on the side and back. There should be no doubt in any witness's mind that they are law enforcement. They should never pull up in unmarked vans, jump out, force someone into that van, and drive off like we saw in the video of that college student earlier in the year. That should never be the MO of law enforcement in this country.

Their actions resemble what we see in the movies from underground criminal organizations, not respectable law enforcement doing their civil duty.

With the protests and U.S. Citizens interfering with ICE enforcement officers performing their duty, I can see why they would wear plain clothes, use surprise tactics. I guess it’s all in the perspective. These are the same agents that served under previous administrations, Trump didn’t fire them all and bring in new people. They are hard working Law enforcement officers that want to do a good job, enforcing immigration laws. . Painting them in a Gestapo light is just wrong. But, I guess that’s where we are on this board .

 

[jthomas666]

Painting them in a Gestapo light is just wrong. But, I guess that’s where we are on this board.

Here's the thing--in the case posted earlier, the victim's family said that they thought it was a kidnapping. So let's say the next time ICE pulls this stunt, they pull it on a US citizen with a legal weapon, who feels threatened, and shoots the ICE agent.

What happens at that trial? Will you be singing the praises of Stand Your Ground?

You don't agree with the Gestapo characterization, and that's fine. But whether or not you hear jackboots, ICE going around with no uniform or identification is a tragedy waiting to happen.

 

[crimsonaudio]

What happens at that trial? Will you be singing the praises of Stand Your Ground?

100% would.

I fully understand why they might be trying to fly under the radar, but that's a double-edged sword, and were I on a jury I'd be hard-pressed to convict someone for shooting an agent that was unidentifiable...

 

[Tidewater]

Here's the thing--in the case posted earlier, the victim's family said that they thought it was a kidnapping. So let's say the next time ICE pulls this stunt, they pull it on a US citizen with a legal weapon, who feels threatened, and shoots the ICE agent.

What happens at that trial? Will you be singing the praises of Stand Your Ground?

You don't agree with the Gestapo characterization, and that's fine. But whether or not you hear jackboots, ICE going around with no uniform or identification is a tragedy waiting to happen.

The situation is ripe for a tragic misunderstanding.
I understand ICE's tactical need to make the approach with non-uniformed officers in unmarked cars, but I would say somebody in ICE gear and his ID out better be close behind. Maybe the first guy out of the vehicle is in plain clothes, but the second better be in uniform.
Maybe the officers themselves are too enamored with the "cool guy" aspect of operating in plain clothes but somebody is going to get shot. It won't be so cool then.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

People are flooding the ICEBlock app with false reports. The app is designed to help illegal immigrants evade ICE.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1940207202108850222

This is the way.