BREAKING Conservative Charlie Kirk Shot During Debate In Utah

[75thru79]

Source?

There is no credible source because it isn't true. The lunatic that shot Melissa Hortman and her husband (who, BTW also tried to kill a Republican lawmaker) was appointed to some state level position by Governor Tim Walz. No one ever said Walz was responsible for their deaths, Kirk was simply pointing out that the shooting was not just a right-wing idiot shooting a left-wing lawmaker. It was way more involved than that.

 

[colbysullivan]

There is no credible source because it isn't true. The lunatic that shot Melissa Hortman and her husband (who, BTW also tried to kill a Republican lawmaker) was appointed to some state level position by Governor Tim Walz. No one ever said Walz was responsible for their deaths, Kirk was simply pointing out that the shooting was not just a right-wing idiot shooting a left-wing lawmaker. It was way more involved than that.

SHHHHHHHHHH

 

[AlexanderFan]

There it is...was only missing the "but"...

At least it’s consistent, “I’m not saying he deserved it, but yanno he kinda did.”

 

[OconeeTide]

No hate in my heart. I’m just out of empathy/sympathy/compassion for people like this.
Ignoring the name, you guys read a headline saying “Guy who argued school shootings were a part of life, the 2A was worth it, shot at school, in a state that just passed bill allowing open carry on college campuses, during rally arguing gun violence isn’t a problem, while sitting next to a sign saying ‘prove me wrong.’ Dead”. I’m supposed to feel sad? If it weren’t Charlie Kirk half of you would be posting memes. I’m worried where the country is going, but I’m not expending any emotional energy on Charlie Kirk. I feel bad for his kids. No kid should have to be raised without a father. But that is about it.

So if someone who supports the second amendment and gets murdered deserves no sympathy?
For what its worth, i would never support someone on the opposite side of the political isle being killed because i disagreed with them. I know what a dark abyss that becomes, we dont need to be going that way.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Charlie Kirk has long argued that the epidemic of gun violence in America is the regrettable, but acceptable, price of liberty. In his words, the trade-off is a “prudent deal,” a “rational” sacrifice to preserve the Second Amendment and protect what he calls “God-given rights.” (He said these cruel and heartless words at a speaking event in April 2023 — I'm just the messenger.)

When children are slaughtered in their classrooms, when congregants are gunned down in churches, when families are erased at grocery stores, Kirk’s response is not grief but calculus. The deaths are tragic, he says, but worth it. A necessary toll paid at freedom’s gate. “Thought and prayers.”

And so, when he himself was shot at a speaking event in Utah, the hypocrisy was deafening. Here was a man who minimized other people’s agony, suddenly forced to taste the violence he once dismissed. This is what I mean by Second Amendment justice: not that the shooting should be celebrated, not that violence solves anything, but that the logic he defended has folded back on him like a tesseract.

He declared that mass shootings were an unfortunate but tolerable part of liberty. Then he became a victim of the very “tolerable violence” he worked so hard to normalize.

It is not justice in the sense of moral balance or divine retribution. It is justice in the way a mirror delivers justice: cold, impartial reflection. The gun culture he championed did not exempt him. The bullets he waved away in theory found their way into practice. He is not immune. None of us are.

The asymmetry here is staggering. When Nashville lost six lives, when Buffalo buried grandmothers and fathers, when children in Uvalde were executed one after another, Kirk’s sympathy was withheld. He hardened his rhetoric. He doubled down. His “deal” demanded that others bear the cost, while he collected the political dividends of defiance. They are some sweet economic dividends, I tell you. Charlie Kirk gets paid for his support of the Conservative agenda.

But compassion is a muscle. Fail to exercise it for others, and you cannot expect it to be exercised for you. If he offered no tears for the slain, why should the public be compelled to offer them for him?

This is not schadenfreude. It is a reckoning. It is the exposure of a brutal dissonance at the core of American politics: leaders who protect the idea of rights while sacrificing the reality of lives. Leaders who worship an amendment more than they grieve for the children whose bodies become its sacrament. Leaders who declare that freedom requires blood, and then recoil when their own blood is drawn.

Let me be clear: the shooting of Charlie Kirk was a crime. It was not noble resistance. It was not an answer. Political violence corrodes democracy; it breeds escalation, not resolution. But understanding the irony is not the same as endorsing the act. Recognizing the karmic symmetry does not mean cheering it. What it means is this: when cruelty is normalized, when violence is rationalized, when deaths are rendered acceptable by ideology, eventually the logic boomerangs.

That is the lesson here, the harsh and unsentimental truth. You cannot unleash a culture of violence, bless it as liberty, and then feign shock when it arrives at your own doorstep. The Second Amendment, as interpreted by Kirk and his allies, does not discriminate. It devours indiscriminately.

That is the justice of it. Not divine, not poetic — merely inevitable.”

- Thaddeus Howze

You’re not the messenger because you stripped out the entire message and only used less than ten words. How about you actually go read/listen to the entire message?

This is so awesome. Kirk does hundreds of hours of videos and speaking and this is the best some can do.

Falling for the same tricks that the republicans do.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Are you kidding?

Spann won't hitch his wagon to the Climate Change Religion (note: I'm referring here to the failed prophecies group, not the scientific reality of such), and thus he must be shunned. If he will not comply and fearmonger, he MUST be silenced. I don't doubt for one second he's gotten threats - from both the hardcore climate change folks who glue their hands to highways AND from Trumpers, too, for refusing to go along when Trump used that Sharpie to insist Alabama was in danger from a hurricane and Spann wouldn't budge (to his credit).

And as I've said here dozens of times - my brother works in the news media, and it is an almost daily thing: no matter what they say or do, someone who is an unstable follower of a politician calls up whining about their coverage, accusing them of "fake news" and asking whey they didn't cover Story X with the same wall-to-wall coverage as they did Story Y. (His experience the last decade is that the Trump, Bernie, and Warren folks are all about the same - which given he's in New England is probably to be expected).

Spann gets it from everyone, the hate he receives is even worse because EVERYONE hates him because he interrupts their flipping shows, gets baseball games cancelled, or school let out early/closed. All that in the name of precaution.

This is kind of an explosion of hate: Spann roasts every day in the crucible.

 

[mdb-tpet]

You’re not the messenger because you stripped out the entire message and only used less than ten words. How about you actually go read/listen to the entire message?

This is so awesome. Kirk does hundreds of hours of videos and speaking and this is the best some can do.

Falling for the same tricks that the republicans do.

I for one don't like the core of his paternal/conservative message, nor do I enjoy reading some of his more provocative remarks, regardless of their context.

I disagree with his:
LGBTQIA stances
More guns=fewer problems stance
Great replacement hypothesis
Global warming stance
Civil Rights Act stance
Stance toward women, rape, and abortions

I do agree with his:
General idea of freedom of speech; however, we certainly need some evolution for online hate speech, threats, doxxing, and internet mob style attacks.

He did not need to be killed for these stances.

 

[92tide]

Who would threaten James Spann? Not saying he has not been threatened, but that is so weird. What could he possibly have done that would cause some viewer to see him and say to himself, "I have to threaten that guy."

more than that, why are people expecting him to have some sort of position (or at least share his position) on what happened yesterday

 

[Its On A Slab]

What an absolutely pathetic take

I take that as a compliment if you are the Charlie Kirk acolyte that I suspect.

 

[75thru79]

I take that as a compliment if you are the Charlie Kirk acolyte that I suspect.

 

[Cruloc]

I take that as a compliment if you are the Charlie Kirk acolyte that I suspect.

Of course, this is the way it always goes. Have differences, try and discuss, don't agree.....instead of being respectful, we start tossing insults.

 

[jthomas666]

There it is...was only missing the "but"...

Question: Does the fact that he was killed mean that the rest of his life can no longer be discussed? Boy, does somebody owe Abraham Lincoln an apology or what?!?!

 

[CrimsonJazz]

The people who are dancing on Kirk's grave right now will immediately start screaming something about "decency" when the Reps exploit this for votes just before the mid-terms. These people are nothing if not predictable (and disgusting.)

 

[CrimsonJazz]

 

[Crimson1967]

The one happiest about this is the woman who took the baseball at the Phillies game. She has been forgotten.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

The one happiest about this is the woman who took the baseball at the Phillies game. She has been forgotten.

You know that woman now wishes she'd never gotten that ball. The hell she's caught...

 

[dtgreg]

There is no credible source because it isn't true. The lunatic that shot Melissa Hortman and her husband (who, BTW also tried to kill a Republican lawmaker) was appointed to some state level position by Governor Tim Walz. No one ever said Walz was responsible for their deaths, Kirk was simply pointing out that the shooting was not just a right-wing idiot shooting a left-wing lawmaker. It was way more involved than that.

It's not quite as simple as "appointed by Walz". He was just a low-level guy who Walz let continue in his job (i.e., didn't fire) when Walz was elected. He had been given the job by the earlier, Republican administration. Ah, the Before Times. How Things Used To Be.

 

[AWRTR]

I only judge people by who they are and what they believe.

I am diametrically opposed to just about everything he stood for.

He was a professional provocateur.

If you can't understand this, you've obviously not read any of the stuff he pushed. Or you agreed with it.

Either way, the world is a better place without people like that. But there are better ways to rid a nuisance. Violence isn't the answer.

I and millions of other Americans believe many of the things he believed. World better off without us too?

 

[AlexanderFan]

Question: Does the fact that he was killed mean that the rest of his life can no longer be discussed? Boy, does somebody owe Abraham Lincoln an apology or what?!?!

so which five second video, or four word quote taken out of context do you want to discuss next?

 

[crimsonaudio]

The people who are dancing on Kirk's grave right now will immediately start screaming something about "decency" when the Reps exploit this for votes just before the mid-terms. These people are nothing if not predictable (and disgusting.)

Or when they get fired / doxxed out of a job.

MTSU fires dean following pressure from Marsha Blackburn

MTSU announced it fired the assistant dean of students following social media posts she allegedly made in regard to Charlie Kirk’s death.

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