Artimes II : Return To The Moon After Over 50 Years

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Currently watching the approach to the Moon. I liken this mission to Apollo 7.5. The 1st real test of the crewed version, with a loop around the Moon insted of orbit (as in Apollo 8).

Now, you know I'm going to go political now. My MAGA younger brother is a Musk worshipper. He has done nothing but pan this entire mission. I am pretty sure it's because Musk has spent billions on Starship and the whole program (up to now) has been nothing but a hugely expensive bottle rocket. Up to the last couple launches, it's blown up in the atmosphere. Still hasn't achieve orbit.

So now, it looks like we have a viable crewed version of the Moon program in Orion. But the proposed landing scheme falls upon Musk's Starship. Maybe that's why MAGA hates the success of Orion up to now.

I have always been a fan of SpaceX and Dragon was a hugely successful program(even now). Yet I believe Starship is weighed down by Musk's addiction to ketamine. I really don't see that program ever being succcessful. Meanwhile, Orion is ready.
 
Currently watching the approach to the Moon. I liken this mission to Apollo 7.5. The 1st real test of the crewed version, with a loop around the Moon insted of orbit (as in Apollo 8).

Now, you know I'm going to go political now. My MAGA younger brother is a Musk worshipper. He has done nothing but pan this entire mission. I am pretty sure it's because Musk has spent billions on Starship and the whole program (up to now) has been nothing but a hugely expensive bottle rocket. Up to the last couple launches, it's blown up in the atmosphere. Still hasn't achieve orbit.

So now, it looks like we have a viable crewed version of the Moon program in Orion. But the proposed landing scheme falls upon Musk's Starship. Maybe that's why MAGA hates the success of Orion up to now.

I have always been a fan of SpaceX and Dragon was a hugely successful program(even now). Yet I believe Starship is weighed down by Musk's addiction to ketamine. I really don't see that program ever being succcessful. Meanwhile, Orion is ready.
It's weird that one cannot appreciate both the SLS and Starship - they're two different things with two different timelines. SLS has been in development for 15 years while Starship has been in development for only seven. Very different designs and goals.

Once Starship is functioning (and it will), being able to lift 100 tons at a time into orbit will drop the cost/kg to unseen levels and will push space development and exploration dramatically.

BOTH are great for the Space Race!
 
It's weird that one cannot appreciate both the SLS and Starship - they're two different things with two different timelines. SLS has been in development for 15 years while Starship has been in development for only seven. Very different designs and goals.

Once Starship is functioning (and it will), being able to lift 100 tons at a time into orbit will drop the cost/kg to unseen levels and will push space development and exploration dramatically.

BOTH are great for the Space Race!

Artimes 3 is supposed to be the new Apollo 9 mission. Next year, scheduled to test docking witn one of the two lunar landers. Straship and the Bezos lander. I would bet money that neither will be ready by then. I still look at Starship as an expensive bottle rocket.

I'm just amazed at how the Elon bros dismiss anything that doesn't have their idol directly attached to it. Hell, they bash E-cars, but love them some Teslas. Especially them Tesla garbage trucks. :D
 
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