The Decline of Western Civilization

[crimsonaudio]

I get having a preference for the US free speech system. I mostly do as well. But this guy just isn't the most sympathetic free speech case to me and not a case I would spend a whole lot of energy on. But to each their own.

I understand what he's saying is distasteful, but the point of saying 'europe is gone' is that they'll literally jail someone for saying something that's offensive.

This isn't the first case like this - it's happening all over Britain as well. As soon as you can be jailed for saying / posting something because it hurts someone's feelings, freedom is gone.

Europe is gone.

 

[Huckleberry]

I understand what he's saying is distasteful, but the point of saying 'europe is gone' is that they'll literally jail someone for saying something that's offensive.

This isn't the first case like this - it's happening all over Britain as well. As soon as you can be jailed for saying / posting something because it hurts someone's feelings, freedom is gone.

Europe is gone.

I used to admire and support the ACLU's stance and actions regarding free speech. Sadly, things have changed a bit.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I used to admire and support the ACLU's stance and actions regarding free speech. Sadly, things have changed a bit.

Free speech is no longer a liberal value, sad indeed.

 

[JDCrimson]

I understand what he's saying is distasteful, but the point of saying 'europe is gone' is that they'll literally jail someone for saying something that's offensive.

This isn't the first case like this - it's happening all over Britain as well. As soon as you can be jailed for saying / posting something because it hurts someone's feelings, freedom is gone.

Europe is gone.

They dont have a 1A so I dont expect them to operate like we do. That's why the Protestants emigrated in the first place to escape the censorship.

But the reason Europe is like this is there A LOT of different ethnicities in a kettle in Europe. Historically this diversity has lead to wars, bad ones. In fact both world wars were started there and likely will be again.

The court decisions we see rendered may seem petty and disenfranchising to us but there is much different social dynamic that needs to be managed over there. They are trying to maintain some decorum over there that is sorely needed here. Just because something is true doesnt mean you say it at someone's funeral.

 

[75thru79]

Free speech is no longer a liberal value, sad indeed.

The sad thing is that liberals are in shock over the fact conservatives actually have civil liberties.

 

[crimsonaudio]

They dont have a 1A so I dont expect them to operate like we do. That's why the Protestants emigrated in the first place to escape the censorship.

But the reason Europe is like this is there A LOT of different ethnicities in a kettle in Europe. Historically this diversity has lead to wars, bad ones. In fact both world wars were started there and likely will be again.

The court decisions we see rendered may seem petty and disenfranchising to us but there is much different social dynamic that needs to be managed over there. They are trying to maintain some decorum over there that is sorely needed here. Just because something is true doesnt mean you say it at someone's funeral.

I get it - I’ve spent a lot of time over there and have tons of friends and clients there. They’re different than we are culturally, no doubt.

But the recent (last decade or two) Big Brother nature of government is uncharacteristic for most of Western Europe. And if they don’t wake up soon it will be too late to recover the freedoms lost. And yes, there are freedoms lost there, despite the differences.

So please understand that I know these things to be true and through that lens am saying Europe is done. Between the reduction in / lack of basic freedoms and the embracing of third-world immigrants, they’re cooked.

 

[davefrat]

The sad thing is that liberals are in shock over the fact conservatives actually have civil liberties.

How so?

What does this even mean?

 

[davefrat]

I get it - I’ve spent a lot of time over there and have tons of friends and clients there. They’re different than we are culturally, no doubt.

But the recent (last decade or two) Big Brother nature of government is uncharacteristic for most of Western Europe. And if they don’t wake up soon it will be too late to recover the freedoms lost. And yes, there are freedoms lost there, despite the differences.

So please understand that I know these things to be true and through that lens am saying Europe is done. Between the reduction in / lack of basic freedoms and the embracing of third-world immigrants, they’re cooked.

If the lunatics currently in charge of this country retain control much longer the entire democratic experiment of the last 250 years will be done...for us and the rest of the world.

 

[75thru79]

How so?

What does this even mean?

It means that liberals have held the belief for years that the ACLU is their own private fiefdom for fighting against the "establishment" in support of the people. They are now shocked that "the people" also include conservatives and trying to silence conservative voices is just as wrong as trying to silence progressive voices.

 

[mdb-tpet]

They dont have a 1A so I dont expect them to operate like we do. That's why the Protestants emigrated in the first place to escape the censorship.

But the reason Europe is like this is there A LOT of different ethnicities in a kettle in Europe. Historically this diversity has lead to wars, bad ones. In fact both world wars were started there and likely will be again.

The court decisions we see rendered may seem petty and disenfranchising to us but there is much different social dynamic that needs to be managed over there. They are trying to maintain some decorum over there that is sorely needed here. Just because something is true doesnt mean you say it at someone's funeral.

The narrative around the Protestants coming the the New World is often far too narrow and misses their real reasons for emigrating.

One of my favorite reasons is they were afraid their kids were becoming too Dutch. Same as it ever was.

Why Did the Pilgrims Come to America? | HISTORY

They were less religious refugees than economic migrants.

www.history.com

 

[mdb-tpet]

It means that liberals have held the belief for years that the ACLU is their own private fiefdom for fighting against the "establishment" in support of the people. They are now shocked that "the people" also include conservatives and trying to silence conservative voices is just as wrong as trying to silence progressive voices.

I think that's a too much of a conservative talking point.

I've known for a very long time that the ACLU will support non-liberal (as well as non-conservative/neutral) positions at times in the name of civil liberty. Plus the ACLU doesn't go and pick fights on topics they want, someone has to bring a case to them, that person has to have a standing in the case, and the ACLU has to accept the case.

Defending Speech We Hate | ACLU

The record demonstrates the ACLU’s unwavering commitment to First Amendment rights for all.

www.aclu.org

 

[CrimsonJazz]

How did Japan rebrand so well compared to Germany?

LOL

https://twitter.com/x/status/2060036779302887903

You know, he does make an excellent point. Japan made us love them without so much as a "Sorry bout that harbor, y'all." The Germans have bent over backwards trying to show the world how sorry they are, but the softer they get, the less respect the rest of us have for them. Nobody likes betas and that's what they are.

 

[AWRTR]

How did Japan rebrand so well compared to Germany?

LOL

https://twitter.com/x/status/2060036779302887903

You know, he does make an excellent point. Japan made us love them without so much as a "Sorry bout that harbor, y'all." The Germans have bent over backwards trying to show the world how sorry they are, but the softer they get, the less respect the rest of us have for them. Nobody likes betas and that's what they are.

The atrocities in China and the rest of Southeast Asia just aren't as well known because they happened outside the West, and the Japanese didn't have the leader or underlings like Hitler and his band of maniacs that are so well known and so easy to hate.

 

[arthurdawg]

The atrocities in China and the rest of Southeast Asia just aren't as well known because they happened outside the West, and the Japanese didn't have the leader or underlings like Hitler and his band of maniacs that are so well known and so easy to hate.

Japan had pretty much stopped apologizing by 1980 and had the advantage of using the atomic bombings as their payment due to society. The Germans responsible for WW2 and the atrocities have been dead for years, but the Germans still feel like they need to apologize.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Japan had pretty much stopped apologizing by 1980 and had the advantage of using the atomic bombings as their payment due to society. The Germans responsible for WW2 and the atrocities have been dead for years, but the Germans still feel like they need to apologize.

And the Japanese are unapologetically anti-immigration. Cultural unity is a thing, regardless as to whether it’s healthy or not (I don’t think there’s a definitive easy answer regarding whether cultural homogeneity is good or bad - it needs to be discussed on a case-by-case basis).

 

[CrimsonJazz]

And the Japanese are unapologetically anti-immigration. Cultural unity is a thing, regardless as to whether it’s healthy or not (I don’t think there’s a definitive easy answer regarding whether cultural homogeneity is good or bad - it needs to be discussed on a case-by-case basis).

There's a HELL of a lot less violence in Japan than there are in heavily immigrated countries. We can argue why that is all day, but it's not a coincidence. Even if they did soften their immigration stance, I can guarantee you they would continue to enforce their laws (unlike our friends in Europe.)

 

[crimsonaudio]

There's a HELL of a lot less violence in Japan than there are in heavily immigrated countries. We can argue why that is all day, but it's not a coincidence. Even if they did soften their immigration stance, I can guarantee you they would continue to enforce their laws (unlike our friends in Europe.)

Oh, I'm not arguing against their stance, just suggesting that their cultural norms may not work everywhere. I applaud the Japanese for understanding why their culture needed them to act as they have in order to preserve it. Much of Europe could learn from them.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Oh, I'm not arguing against their stance, just suggesting that their cultural norms may not work everywhere. I applaud the Japanese for understanding why their culture needed them to act as they have in order to preserve it. Much of Europe could learn from them.

Speaking frankly, so could we.

 

[arthurdawg]

And the Japanese are unapologetically anti-immigration. Cultural unity is a thing, regardless as to whether it’s healthy or not (I don’t think there’s a definitive easy answer regarding whether cultural homogeneity is good or bad - it needs to be discussed on a case-by-case basis).

It is a very closed society... Heading there in June and will report back!

There are essentially no privately held guns in Japan outside of the Yakuza... And crime is organized to not hurt people by the Yajuza and to just steal the money... So... It all works out!

 

[crimsonaudio]

There's a HELL of a lot less violence in Japan than there are in heavily immigrated countries. We can argue why that is all day, but it's not a coincidence. Even if they did soften their immigration stance, I can guarantee you they would continue to enforce their laws (unlike our friends in Europe.)

A lot of that is cultural, though, not simply homogenization.