I am probably the only one that does not care if Saban doesnt stay for decades. Look at where LSU is now after he left (and dont say it will crumble once his players leave).
ESPN News just reported,"Back to Saban"
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I am not in the industry, but this makes sense. You don't talk smack - never have. But I would be willing to bet that Saban doesn't know what he is going to do yet, and he won't know until he does it...
Personally, I'm concerned about Saban for two reasons.
First (and the more credible of the two), he has a reputation for winning dirty. Even if we're outside the infraction window, I don't want us to get popped again, and his presence would raise our profile with the NCAA COI, IMO. That makes me very nervous.
Second, has anyone considered that Saban currently works for the Miami Dolphins? I'm not talking about the fact that he's currently employed, because that's been discussed to death. It seems to me that the Dolphins once had a head coach named Don Shula, whose son Mike just "got the shaft" (while not entirely true, can you argue that DS doesn't feel that way?) from UA. If DS feels that MS got the shaft from UA, is it out of the realm of possibility that DS would use his relationship with the Dolphins organization to arrange a nice little bonus for NS as a reward for leading UA on, burning up time, and possibly damaging UA's chances to land RR, BP, or others? I know this sounds like a "black helicopter" theory, but I think there's some bad karma headed our way....
First (and the more credible of the two), he has a reputation for winning dirty. Even if we're outside the infraction window, I don't want us to get popped again, and his presence would raise our profile with the NCAA COI, IMO. That makes me very nervous.
Second, has anyone considered that Saban currently works for the Miami Dolphins? I'm not talking about the fact that he's currently employed, because that's been discussed to death. It seems to me that the Dolphins once had a head coach named Don Shula, whose son Mike just "got the shaft" (while not entirely true, can you argue that DS doesn't feel that way?) from UA. If DS feels that MS got the shaft from UA, is it out of the realm of possibility that DS would use his relationship with the Dolphins organization to arrange a nice little bonus for NS as a reward for leading UA on, burning up time, and possibly damaging UA's chances to land RR, BP, or others? I know this sounds like a "black helicopter" theory, but I think there's some bad karma headed our way....
I don't think you are alone, thats probably one of the first things I thought when he started being discussed. Not exactly in that context, but I thought of the ties and that he really could burn us good if he wanted to.
On the otherhand the folks working on this have a about 100% more experience than I do and something prompted them to lean this way, and I'm sure it crossed their minds at some point it could happen, they evidently believe there is nothing to worry about as far as tha is concerned.
That is my belief. I don't think they would even go after saban if something wasn't given from his camp.
"his camp" is his agent Jimmy Sexton, whose philosophy, if I recall correctly, is that you politely and respectfully entertain all serious job offers that are forwarded to your client, and you pass along this info to your client . . .
. . . it looks like the UA folks doing the work right now want to be able to later say that all reasonable efforts were made to get Saban, provided Saban doesn't take the job . . . and that's a good thing.
If you don't make an offer, you can't be certain that it would never have been accepted.
To paraphrase JessN, however, nobody knows the mind of the man except the man himself.
Jess maybe Im reading into stuff. Since Ive been reading and sorting for weeks now. I think by your reply that we are getting a coach from up northeast and not down south. I guess I maybe reading into things since you replied about RR on a Saban thread.
IMO, we never really took our eyes off of Saban. Just seems like we were too busy trying to attract Spurrier and now Rodriguez. From what I understand, Miami's loss today basically eliminates them from playoff contention again. A good coach is always worth the wait, just hope we don't wait TOO long and lose some other good candidates.
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I am of the thought that we never (as a University), went after Spurrier. I think that the media frenzy, constant speculations, ad nauseum, were simply the product of the 'Net and Talk Radio.
Now I think there is some activity and most everything we hear over the next couple of weeks will be way off base.
I am of the thought that we never (as a University), went after Spurrier. I think that the media frenzy, constant speculations, ad nauseum, were simply the product of the 'Net and Talk Radio.
Now I think there is some activity and most everything we hear over the next couple of weeks will be way off base.
Finally some solid info... Thanks... I know that the PennState fans will be relieved.
Until I hear otherwise, I will not be shocked if MM offers JoPa a 20 year deal...
Couple of things that help muddy the water. First, some of this thread have indicated that they don't believe Saban is interested. I'm not a genius, but I am certain (note: not opinion) that Saban IS interested. However, is Saban interested enough to sign on a dotted line... that's the real question. Fact is, we wouldn't be willing to have waited this long unless he was very interested in this job. BTW, take that for all those in the national media who bash Bama for not being a very desirable job.
Second, regarding Spurrier, one of three things happened... but I'm not sure which of the three (or combos of some) it was. One, Sexton leaked it to the media to get Spurrier more leverage/money at USC. Two, UA leaked news of interest to take the focus off Saban (buy more time?). Three, we were very interested in Spurrier... call him 1b if Saban is 1a in our search. However, to protect against Saban quickly saying no, they slow-played Spurrier... and IF Saban had turned us down, they would have offered CSS a contract.
While I am familiar with the Saban side of things, I don't know which of these ideas were actually factual w/ Spurrier. However, with as much smoke as we saw with that side of the search, my best guess is a combination of one and three... with CSS getting a contract to sign if things progressed that far.
SD@W--
Your point's a good one in concept, but I think the presentation is overwrought.
Don Shula has an ego, and it's based primarily on two factors: (1) he was one of the youngest head coaches in the NFL, and definitely one of the most successful at such a young age, and (2) the 1972 undefeated record.
He conveniently forgets that (1) his last five years or so were underachievements, selling out his fundamentalist principles to Dan Marino's arm, and (2) he was essentially fired by the Dolphins, nevermind the fact that HE OWNS PART OF THE TEAM.
So I would not be surprised in the least if he were badmouthing us to recruits, especially those in Florida, or badmouthing us to coaching candidates. The track record is that he has had two sons who reached head coach positions, and both failed. David was a miserable failure in the NFL (Cincinatti), and Don trashed the ownership something horrible. Mike was close, but no cigar at Alabama, and I would expect more of the same here.
Point being, I don't think he carries enough clout (except between his own ears) to pull off what you're suggesting.
I hope Saban is our next coach, but I also know that it's a long shot at best. The fact that the Dolphins are mathematically out of the playoffs after today's loss to Jacksonville might accelerate the decision process.
In an ideal world, Saban would announce for Alabama next week. In the real world, I'm expecting a polite refusal and Rodriguez or Johnson as the next coach. My personal pick is Johnson, though I'd be happy with any of several.
As far as being due some bad karma, godamighty man! Have we not endured a ration of that stuff fit for the Mongol hordes? To my way of thinking, after what we've been through, we're due 20 years worth of breaks.
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