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[rkwilkerson]

since bush is going down as a bad president, i wish he would go ahead and attack north korea, iran, and venezuela.....maybe he will go from "bad" to downright terrible.....but i would still like him!

do i totally support all his policies.....NO. has the US been hit with another terrorist attack.....NO. for that, he deserves some credit.

I do not fully support all of his policies but I do believe that when the history books are written he will be viewed as a good and decent President that made some mistakes.

IMO

 

[blackumbrella]

Historians....???

from the article you didn't read:

In early 2004, an informal survey of 415 historians conducted by the nonpartisan History News Network found that eighty-one percent considered the Bush administration a "failure."

and if you think 'thought control' is an accurate descriptor of my posts in this thread, i'd direct you back to pillar number 1. i take exception to the claim that bush will go down as anything resembling a good president, and i cited numerous sources that support my argument. you responded with some pictures of purple fingers and then tried to say i'm brainwashing you.

 

[rkwilkerson]

I'm brainwashing you.

 

[NYBamaFan]

...i take exception to the claim that bush will go down as anything resembling a good president, and i cited numerous sources that support my argument...

Current historians interpret things that happened in the past from the perspective of having seen their long-term impact. In order to do so, on must see what those long-term impacts will be. So, you have no idea how future historians (the ones that will write the lasting records of current events) will find this administration, as you have no idea what will happen tomorrow, or next month, or next year, or ten years from now. Nor do current historians (unless you think that they can see into the future).

You and I judge Bush based on things that we see today. We find him lacking, but for different reasons. But I believe that history will treat him much better - as the man who started the global fight against terrorism. That, of course, assumes that we, someday, end terrorism...

 

[Bama Reb]

I do not fully support all of his policies but I do believe that when the history books are written he will be viewed as a good and decent President that made some mistakes.

IMO

I agree with your comment, but I think I should add that his mistakes, mainly those made in Iraq, were due to faulty intelligence. The problems I have with Mr. Bush are not the mistakes made in Iraq, but rather those with domestic issues. The biggest issue I have with him is with his not securing our own borders, and the millions upon millions of illegal aliens that have been allowed to cross our borders unimpeded and now permeate every area of the country and facet of American life. That issue in itself is not his own, however, but is shared with Congress as a whole.
The most positive thing in his favor is that he has restored a sense of decency and morality to the office of President. That was truly lacking in his predecessor, and that is baggage that Hilly can never shed. If she is elected President, the sights and sounds of Sodom and Gomorrah will return with her, and the office of President of the United States will once again be a laughingstock. .

 

[blackumbrella]

Current historians interpret things that happened in the past from the perspective of having seen their long-term impact. In order to do so, on must see what those long-term impacts will be. So, you have no idea how future historians (the ones that will write the lasting records of current events) will find this administration, as you have no idea what will happen tomorrow, or next month, or next year, or ten years from now. Nor do current historians (unless you think that they can see into the future).

You and I judge Bush based on things that we see today. We find him lacking, but for different reasons. But I believe that history will treat him much better - as the man who started the global fight against terrorism. That, of course, assumes that we, someday, end terrorism...

that's a good point, and certainly i didn't mean to suggest that his legacy, one way or the other, is writ in stone already. the first article (i think) i linked discusses this and then points out the 4 or 5 presidents most commonly regarded as the worst and the principle citicism against each. as it turns out, each of these criticisms against each of these worst presidents can be very reasonably leveled at bush as well.

i don't know that i agree with you that his legacy hinges on the war on terror. there are plenty of domestic issues that will i believe drag him down even if iraq should somehow improve. even if it does improve, more than likely a good portion of the credit will go to the next pres, who'll be doing the heap of work that still needs doing there.

 

[Bama Torch in Pcola]

The only real domestic issue that is hurting him is the passive stance toward illegal immigration, which is a biggie; however, NONE of the politicians in Washington are willing to alienate a huge potential voting block.

 

[NYBamaFan]

i don't know that i agree with you that his legacy hinges on the war on terror. there are plenty of domestic issues that will i believe drag him down even if iraq should somehow improve. even if it does improve, more than likely a good portion of the credit will go to the next pres, who'll be doing the heap of work that still needs doing there.

If he fails at everything else, but succeeds at putting the world on the path that leads to the end of global terrorism, he will be deemed a success. Look at FDR. He put us on the road to victory in WWII. He also put the country back on its collective feet by putting Americans back to work during the depression - building infrastructure that has helped this country grow.

He also started the creep of socialism in this country that has led us to our current state of affairs.

Which is he remembered for?

 

[GulfCoastTider]

Y'all can relax.

Neither Hillary nor Barak will ever be President. In fact, the Democrats will never, ever see a female or black candidate on the top of their ticket get elected.

Ever. Why? Because every last one of them are so far to the left that they make Mondale look like Reagan.

That said, I pray every day that either Hillary or Barak makes it through the primaries and gets nominated. The collective puking of the American electorate will make a Rudy Guiliani administration a slam dunk.

Liberals fear Rudy like SEC rivals fear Saban.

 

[NYBamaFan]

The only real domestic issue that is hurting him is the passive stance toward illegal immigration, which is a biggie; however, NONE of the politicians in Washington are willing to alienate a huge potential voting block.

I disagree. Bush's passive stance on Social Security and Medicare reform, combined with his Rx drug plan and whore like spending (he has not vetoed one single bill in the 6 years that he has been president) has him a complete failure domestically. IMO, his only domestic success is the economy...

 

[NYBamaFan]

Y'all can relax.

Neither Hillary nor Barak will ever be President. In fact, the Democrats will never, ever see a female or black candidate on the top of their ticket get elected.

Ever. Why? Because every last one of them are so far to the left that they make Mondale look like Reagan.

That said, I pray every day that either Hillary or Barak makes it through the primaries and gets nominated. The collective puking of the American electorate will make a Rudy Guiliani administration a slam dunk.

Liberals fear Rudy like SEC rivals fear Saban.

So you would support Rudy? At best, he is a moderate. My greatest concern related to Guiliani is his history of support for illegal immigrants and gun control. Can he overcome his liberal leanings in these arenas? Others might be concerned about his support of gay rights/marriage and abortion.

Rudy is not conservative in any way, form, or fashion. It is a stretch to call him a moderate. Still, I'd vote for him over a socialist candidate, like Hillary. He is a solid leader who believes in taking personal responsibility for one's life.

 

[It's On A Slab]

Y'all can relax.

Neither Hillary nor Barak will ever be President. In fact, the Democrats will never, ever see a female or black candidate on the top of their ticket get elected.

Ever. Why? Because every last one of them are so far to the left that they make Mondale look like Reagan.

That said, I pray every day that either Hillary or Barak makes it through the primaries and gets nominated. The collective puking of the American electorate will make a Rudy Guiliani administration a slam dunk.

Liberals fear Rudy like SEC rivals fear Saban.

Count me in as a liberal/moderate/centrist who wouldn't lose sleep if the Repubs nominated Rudy.

However, in order to get elected, he'd have to cave to the Flat Earth wing, the timber/logging/petro interests. Would he pull a McCain and fly up to Lynchburg, VA to kiss up to Jerry Falwell?

If he governed like he did as mayor, he'd be a very effective Prez.

 

[Bamaro]

Very well done. Bush is not very popular today, but history will treat him well...

Not in this country

 

[NYBamaFan]

Not in this country

Don't bet on it...

 

[blackumbrella]

Y'all can relax.

Neither Hillary nor Barak will ever be President. In fact, the Democrats will never, ever see a female or black candidate on the top of their ticket get elected.

Ever. Why? Because every last one of them are so far to the left that they make Mondale look like Reagan.

That said, I pray every day that either Hillary or Barak makes it through the primaries and gets nominated. The collective puking of the American electorate will make a Rudy Guiliani administration a slam dunk.

Liberals fear Rudy like SEC rivals fear Saban.

huh? what's not to like about rudy if you're a liberal? actually, what's to like about rudy if you're conservative? that he says he's a republican? the cons' broken record about clinton and fidelity will have to get fixed real quicklike if rudy is going anywhere. i don't think hillary has much of a chance against mccain, but if rudy gets the nom, i like her chances. and obama is not especially liberal, significantly 'middler' than hillary. the reason he won't win a) the primary, is bc he doesn't have the money or experience, and wouldn't win b) the presidency, is because we are too racist and religiously parochial too elect a black man with a muslimish sounding name.

 

[NYBamaFan]

huh? what's not to like about rudy if you're a liberal? actually, what's to like about rudy if you're conservative? that he says he's a republican? the cons' broken record about clinton and fidelity will have to get fixed real quicklike if rudy is going anywhere. i don't think hillary has much of a chance against mccain, but if rudy gets the nom, i like her chances. and obama is not especially liberal, significantly 'middler' than hillary. the reason he won't win a) the primary, is bc he doesn't have the money or experience, and wouldn't win b) the presidency, is because we are too racist and religiously parochial too elect a black man with a muslimish sounding name.

I do not know of a single Republican that would vote for Hillary over Satan, much less Rudy. All of her votes - every last one - will have to come from the left...

 

[blackumbrella]

I do not know of a single Republican that would vote for Hillary over Satan, much less Rudy. All of her votes - every last one - will have to come from the left...

i don't doubt it. but as you know, it's the nonpartisan middle that decides the election. one reaon the right hate her so much is that she takes it to bush. with bush's poplarity now, with iraq's, it's no mistake that she starts off her talk, looped ad nauseum on this propaganda video, by attacking bush. alot of money has gone into experts who say that's the way for her to win those middle votes.

 

[Bamaro]

Don't bet on it...

Why do you think that?

 

[NYBamaFan]

i don't doubt it. but as you know, it's the nonpartisan middle that decides the election. one reaon the right hate her so much is that she takes it to bush. with bush's poplarity now, with iraq's, it's no mistake that she starts off her talk, looped ad nauseum on this propaganda video, by attacking bush. alot of money has gone into experts who say that's the way for her to win those middle votes.

You couldn't be any more wrong. The right disliked her long before Bush took the stage. Her first White House stint saw her try to change the American family in ways that only liberals would approve. She has been a socialist for her entire life, evidenced by her political activism in her youth...

 

[NYBamaFan]

Why do you think that?

Because, while he might not be very bright, he has done his level best to focus the world on the problems of global terrorism and the ineffectual UN sanctions that have been used for decades to combat them. He has exposed UN diplomacy as a cover for appeasement. He has started the world down a different path. One that gives us a fair shot at ending government sponsored terrorism.

The UN should be disbanded. The World Courts are a joke. And the socialist agenda incorporated in both needed to be challenged. Let's hope that someone has been paying attention...