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Simeon Castille Update:

TideAlum said:
Good point. You obviously have been to the Strip on numerous occasions and know that what Simeon did rarely ever happens there. Usually at 2 am no one is out there...and never in the street...especially on a Sunday morning. That's prime sleep time to prepare for church.

It's unsettling to me that this incident was what the TPD decided to focus on at 2 a.m. They admitted that no alcohol or physical altercations were involved. I don't see why an arrest was necessary. During the time that they were making this arrest, the TPD likely allowed many drunk individuals to leave the bars, get in their cars, and drive home. If you want to crack down on a problem on the Strip, crack down on the drunk driving.
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We are straying pretty far afield with this. To me the bottom line is this, the police saw four large men involved in what to all appearances was some form of altercation involving some shouting and physicality. Based solely on that, the police had every right and to me a duty to investigate. There may have been some inebriated people around, but any potential violence is usually dealt with first. Do you disagree with that?

I think what happened after that is open to some debate; but the above to me is clear cut.
 
CapitalTider said:
We are straying pretty far afield with this. To me the bottom line is this, the police saw four large men involved in what to all appearances was some form of altercation involving some shouting and physicality. Based solely on that, the police had every right and to me a duty to investigate. There may have been some inebriated people around, but any potential violence is usually dealt with first. Do you disagree with that?

I think what happened after that is open to some debate; but the above to me is clear cut.
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I have no problem with the police investigating...never said that I did. You can investigate without arresting. Ultimately the police made an arrest and charged Simeon with one of the weakest charges they could have brought. They spent way too much time on a "horsing around situation," when their time could have been better spent elsewhere.
 
TideAlum said:
Don't disagree. Everyone knows (or should) that police officers would be making arrests every moment that they are on duty because so many activities that individuals do every day could constitute breaking a law (listening to a stereo "too loud," cursing in public, going 1 mph over the speed limit, jaywalking). Police officers must make the decision to intervene when the situation is dangerous to others or the individual.

I think that the arresting officers probably thought that Simeon's behavior was more dangerous because it was coming from a large African American male instead of the multiple drunk and belligerent White co-eds who were stumbling out of the bars at the same time. Look out, loud Black man. Swarm swarm.
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I agree with that 100%.
 
CapitalTider said:
the police saw four large men involved in what to all appearances was some form of altercation involving some shouting and physicality. Based solely on that, the police had every right and to me a duty to investigate. There may have been some inebriated people around, but any potential violence is usually dealt with first. Do you disagree with that? but the above to me is clear cut.
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My problem with what you have said above is this. The police had every right to talk to the guys and see what is going on. However, once they realized it was all a joke it should have been over. I am getting sick and tired of these freakin' "Barney Fife" wannabee's it's killing me. This was clearly a situation that at the most should have been handled by the police explaining how things like that can be misconstrued by other officers and it can cause public trouble. Instead from ALL known accounts they officers made jokes about Simeon and how Coach Saban should find out about this issue. Instead of them being "Peace Officers" they were trouble-makers themselves and franky have stepped (if all accounts are the same) on Simeon's civil rights. There is no law that says you can't joke around with friends. There was no traffic being held up and if they arrest Simeon for this, why haven't they arrest a thousand non-football players for the same thing. This goes on all the time on the strip on Saturday nights and frankly these cops need to understand how to do their job. I for one hope they are taught a lesson. This issue should not just be swept under a rug in my opinion as it is a small issue on a much larger problem with todays police.
 
Alanbama27 said:
My problem with what you have said above is this. The police had every right to talk to the guys and see what is going on. However, once they realized it was all a joke it should have been over. I am getting sick and tired of these freakin' "Barney Fife" wannabee's it's killing me. This was clearly a situation that at the most should have been handled by the police explaining how things like that can be misconstrued by other officers and it can cause public trouble.
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Hey, I agree with you, I said after the police investigated was open for debate. The post I was responding to seemed to say that the police should have ignored this apparent fight to check out drunk co-eds and possible drunk drivers, which I found ridiculous.

Instead from ALL known accounts they officers made jokes about Simeon and how Coach Saban should find out about this issue.
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That's the problem all known accounts, the full story hasn't come out. Was the comment about Coach Saban out of the blue or did it come as a response to something Castille said? Just like we should wait to judge Castille, I think we should also wait to judge the police.

Instead of them being "Peace Officers" they were trouble-makers themselves and franky have stepped (if all accounts are the same) on Simeon's civil rights. There is no law that says you can't joke around with friends.
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I'm not sure what civil rights they violated. Joke or not, horsing around (which the usual definition means some type of physical altercation, but with no malice) could very easily fall within the prohibition of the statute. In the police officer's opinion a law was broken, it was an arrestable offense, so they arrested the person. True, the police could have chosen to let it go with a warning, but were under no compulsion to do so. They made that judgment at the time, we have no facts (other than he plays football for Alabama and seems like a good kid) to second guess that judgment. At some point in the future, probably at trial, facts will come out and someone can second guess that decision.

There was no traffic being held up and if they arrest Simeon for this, why haven't they arrest a thousand non-football players for the same thing. This goes on all the time on the strip on Saturday nights and frankly these cops need to understand how to do their job.
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I don't know if traffic was held up, another poster said it was. But again, the fact that the police did not arrest someone else for the same offense is not a defense. Even if traffic were not involved, if you look at the statute the description of the events leaves several other things that could constitute a violation. So if we don't like to arm-chair QB the coach, I don't want to arm-chair QB the police.

I for one hope they are taught a lesson.
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IF the police did anything wrong, I hope they are also. But if Castille is in the wrong, I hope he is taught a lesson.
 
Allen Collins an investigative reporter from Fox Sports was just on Finebaum and said he felt that "once reviewed by a judge" this case would be thrown out.
 
I forgot to mention..... he also said that throughout the report that Castille was very apologetic (expressing that he was just playing around and that he didn't want to bring an embassasment to the team, his family and himself over a joke). At one point he even appeared to be crying at one point. This guy was just at the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
Saban is probably going to suspend Castille like Auburn did with their linebacker Blackmon. I think all Blackmon did was underaged drinking didn't he?
 
BOOOUT said:
I forgot to mention..... he also said that throughout the report that Castille was very apologetic (expressing that he was just playing around and that he didn't want to bring an embarrassment to the team, his family and himself over a joke). At one point he even appeared to be crying at one point. This guy was just at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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I like the sound of that.
 
dudefortide34 said:
Did Castille fight with the officer or cuss him out or anything? Did they have to chase him down and cuff him? This is the first I've heard of this story really.
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No drugs, alcohol, or weapons were involved. According to the report, Castille was talking trash with some teammates driving by. The officer came over and Castille acted contrite but the officer arrested him anyways.
 
dudefortide34 said:
Did Castille fight with the officer or cuss him out or anything? Did they have to chase him down and cuff him? This is the first I've heard of this story really.
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The finer details aren't really crystal clear, only eye witnesses and those in the know have those kind of details..i haven't heard anything like that but i'm sure it could have happened.
 
Interesting that it doesn't appear that the officer made an attempt to find out what was going on prior to putting Castille against the wall. Seems like they should have tried to diffuse the situation prior to making an arrest.

Now I'm not familiar with University Blvd, but how heavy could traffic be at 2:00AM?
 
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