Thoughts on Joe Kines (to A&M)

[LCN]

Really don't understand why Torbush wasn't sucessful there. He had great D's at Bama. As for Coach Kines...........quality person..........quality coach.........PERIOD!! Your school would be very fortunate to have him. DT_Armataz_02_43:

Not to me .

Torbush fell in love with the Zone-blitz and refused to ever let it go even after it had become clear that every other team new when it was coming .

 

[Bamabuzzard]

You couldn't find a better DC who is currently available . He's clearly superior to Bob Domer . CJK ran a 3-3-4 because we didn't have any DT's on campus . So , even with a hand tied behind his back , he managed to consistently place in the top 3 nationally . He was a "bend not break" guy during the 80's but , was not upon his return and upped his % of blitzes in line with almost any other coach . That being said , I doubt he will take the job or any other job .

Now we know why we gave up that friggin' 3rd and 16 to UcheaT. We only had ten men on the field. :biggrin:

 

[LCN]

Now we know why we gave up that friggin' 3rd and 16 to UcheaT. We only had ten men on the field. :biggrin:

:eek2: Thanks for the catch . They just refuse to split up my 4 & 5 . :biggrin:

 

[TxAggie99]

So if you're still there TxAggie, here's the deal. Joe Kines ran something called an "inside-out" D. Basically the idea was to have guys that were undersized at their positions but were quicker and speedier than normal. The defensive schemes were designed to force the play to the outside (get the ballcarrier going east/west, get the QB to throw a horizontal pass, etc.) with the idea that the faster defensive players could stop the play with a minimal loss of yardage. The schemes involved a lot of soft zone coverages with very little blitzing or even a pass rush(not sure if that was intended or not). So yes, CJK definitely runs a "bend but don't break" type D that will give up a few long drives a game but will also not make many mistakes or give up many big plays.

Still here and enjoying everyone's insight on Coach Kines. As stated earlier, one of the problems we have at A&M right now is lack of speed on defense, particularly at LB. The new staff is making that a priority in recruiting but we have to improve with the guys on campus now.

"Soft zone coverages with little to no blitzing" describes our recent defenses perfectly. We were pretty decent against the run and didn't give up a whole lot of big plays. But you could throw all day on us to the flats, sidelines and over the middle. Corners gave about 10-12 yards cushion and our LB's could not get sideline to sideline.

So the combination of a less aggressive scheme and our lack of speed could be a bad one if he is set in his philosophy. I'm sure he will be well aware of our strengths and weaknesses going in and hope he would adapt his approach as would any good coach.

 

[forzaazzurri]

Ag,
I grew up an Aggie...Texags is making it seem like a done deal but I think its far from that. How close do you think it is? Gig'em Tide!

 

[M2J]

Joe Kines is a brilliant DC. I don't know if you can call him a great recruiter, but his defense is awesome. One of the better DC with xs and os out there

 

[cmmiller711]

To answer your question on the general feeling of alabama fans towards joe kines.... we all wished that Kines and Saban shared similar philosophies when CNS got hired so CJK could stay. We always had among the best defenses in america when he was here.

2005 was a national championship defense... unfortunately the mindset of the team as a whole wasn't that of a championship team. Still... He put the winner (demeco ryans- houston) and runner-up (mark anderson-chicago) of the defensive rookie of the year in the NFL off of that team and another solid starter (roman harper for the saints). He held the mighty florida gators (and the not so mighty tennessee volunteers) to 3 points that year.

We played fast. We didn't play that in your face, man-up, bring the pressure defense (a'la Bellichek or Saban) that everyone loves to watch so much, but it was extremely effective... even with the depth problems we faced as a result of offense-heavy recruiting and probation.

As I said before, he coached DeMeco Ryans who may well be my favorite player on and off the field we've ever had. DeMeco holds the SEC record for tackles in a game (25 AT arkansas) and he also graduated with honors and a 3.7 in 3 1/2 years.

Joe Kines is a great man and a GREAT football coach. He will thrive anywhere. I think any program in the country would be lucky to have him.

 

[TxAggie99]

Ag,

I saw an article on ESPN about Davie maybe coming back to College Station. He did a fabulous job with the Wrecking Crew, and would be a great add.

We thought he was coming back but declined the job late yesterday, immediately shifting the focus to Coach Kines. Davie is revered by A&M fans for the Wrecking Crew defenses he ran in the early 90's and would have been a wildly popular hire. A lot of people preferred him to the original choice (Reggie Herring) and with his close relationship to Mike Sherman and fondness for A&M it seemed like a no-brainer. So there was quite a melt down on the A&M boards when people woke up to find out that BD was out and JK was on his way to interview. More because of BD not coming than anything to do with JK.

 

[TxAggie99]

Ag,
I grew up an Aggie...Texags is making it seem like a done deal but I think its far from that. How close do you think it is? Gig'em Tide!

I don't know about this board but it can be tough to sort through all the BS on TexAgs at times, particularly when there is news brewing. But I can tell you that Coach Kines has been offered the job and barring a late change of heart is expected to accept. 36 hours ago most of us though Bob Davie was en route and that fell apart quick so it can always change but I'd look for an announcement soon.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

IF you hire him (and I'll hate to see him leave T-Town), he'll take whatever chicken scraps you have left and make decent chicken soup out of it. BTW, the yardage against UT was 3rd and 19...

 

[BAMA1979]

Don't hang that loss on 4th and 19 without hanging some of the blame on the offense who couldn't convert a third down. The defense stayed on the field twice as long as they should have.

Correct, and that was after a penalty gave us a first down and two. We couldn't gain two yards in three plays. I think UT only scored 13 points in the first 59 minutes of that game. Overtime skewed the final score and defensive statistics.

 

[JH-ATL]

Joe Kines will raise your defence to a new level.........you can put that in the bank.

Your school has not had a DC level on his level in my memory!!!!!!!!!

 

[LCN]

Still here and enjoying everyone's insight on Coach Kines. As stated earlier, one of the problems we have at A&M right now is lack of speed on defense, particularly at LB. The new staff is making that a priority in recruiting but we have to improve with the guys on campus now.

"Soft zone coverages with little to no blitzing" describes our recent defenses perfectly. We were pretty decent against the run and didn't give up a whole lot of big plays. But you could throw all day on us to the flats, sidelines and over the middle. Corners gave about 10-12 yards cushion and our LB's could not get sideline to sideline.

So the combination of a less aggressive scheme and our lack of speed could be a bad one if he is set in his philosophy. I'm sure he will be well aware of our strengths and weaknesses going in and hope he would adapt his approach as would any good coach.

IF he were to come and IF he stayed with the 3-3-5 alignment , 2 quality safties would be a high priority . Toss in a studly OLB and a flexible rover and you'd be happy . He used the scheme as our base out of necessity but IMO , he eventually seemed to embrace it and the various looks that come with it which may have contributed to CJK becoming more aggressive than he used to be . JOMO .

 

[LCN]

IF you hire him (and I'll hate to see him leave T-Town), he'll take whatever chicken scraps you have left and make decent chicken soup out of it. BTW, the yardage against UT was 3rd and 19...

4th :wink:

 

[Redwood Forrest]

I don't know about this board but it can be tough to sort through all the BS on TexAgs at times, particularly when there is news brewing.

TexAgs is a board of extremes--the fan meter is either empty or overflowing--but very entertaining.

 

[alatider]

We should all wish Joe the best of luck and hope that T A&M hires him.

 

[drjamesm]

IF you hire him (and I'll hate to see him leave T-Town), he'll take whatever chicken scraps you have left and make decent chicken soup out of it. BTW, the yardage against UT was 3rd and 19...

This just goes to show how time takes our memory away,and makes things seem better than they were!Yes,It was 4th and 19.FWIW,I never posted that JK was a bad,poor,crappy,or terrible DC. I just said an average,which if you look at his stats besides the one year we had the many future NFL stars when they were seniors is a fact.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

But you could throw all day on us to the flats, sidelines and over the middle. Corners gave about 10-12 yards cushion and our LB's could not get sideline to sideline.

So the combination of a less aggressive scheme and our lack of speed could be a bad one if he is set in his philosophy. I'm sure he will be well aware of our strengths and weaknesses going in and hope he would adapt his approach as would any good coach.

This in my opinion was the weakness in Joe Kines' defense. We didn't give up the big play but there was little to no pressure put on the quarterback and a team could "keep it in front of us" all the way down the field.

 

[davefrat]

I suppose if TAMU wants to go to an passive bend but don't break D that is loaded with future NFL talent they will do fine.I like old Joe,but average at best DC.However,good LB coach.

i guess you missed him coaching the #1 defense in the nation that was nearly solely responsible for a 10 win season punctuated by a final #8 national ranking.

average at best?

physician, heal thine own mental infirmities.

 

[crimson_blood]

I suppose if TAMU wants to go to an passive bend but don't break D that is loaded with future NFL talent they will do fine.I like old Joe,but average at best DC.However,good LB coach.

Wow! Are you kidding? Joe Kines is one of the best on-the-field coaches you'll find anywhere. He's not a PR guy...but he can coach 'em up with the best of them.