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Thoughts on Joe Kines (to A&M)

I'm a bit surprised to say the least, but he's a helluva coach he's no spring chicken but he still has fire to breath. You won't regret it if he comes on board that's for sure.

I'm glad he's getting back into coaching I suppose a year layoff lets you ponder things.

He's one of my favorites of all time.
 
Very good coach and even better man. The only problem I had with his defense is that it didn't FORCE mistakes but was built around the mindset of the offense at some point was going to make a mistake on its on behalf. Where as Saban's defense is a pressure defense and forces mistakes. Down fall is if you beat the pressure you can get big plays.

To each his own. But Joe Kines is a wonderful coach.
 
Most Bama fans love Joe Kines for his great quips and energy, and was hoping he might be retained on the staff in some way when XCMS left. I would agree that JK had as much to do with that 10 win season in 2005 as anybody. I would have to agree also our defenses were undersized most of the time he was here but he still managed to coach some good players like Ryans and Anderson who are now in the pros. While I prefer a more agressive style defense, Kines defense always ranked pretty well considering our talent level at the time. His "D" is more a disiplined assignment type defense, and exploiting mistakes by the offense. It is more of bend-don't break type defense I think and teams may get yardage on you between the twenties but was generally good at holding the opposing offense out of the endzone. He'd be a great hire for you guys if that were to happen. He's a first class guy, & I wish him the best whatever he decides. Good luck to aTm too.
 
bfg3rd said:
Kines had some very good defenses at Bama. Of course, he also had Demeco Ryans, Roman Harper, Mark Anderson, etc. when his defenses were at their best.
Coach Kines is spirited and tough. GREAT LB coach. He would definitely be an upgrade from anything under Fran. I think AtM could do alot worse.
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That was my point exactly,the defense we had in the cotton bowl was laden with great defensive players that were recruited prior to the ecHCMS or DC JK era. Charlie Peprah,Bino,R Harper,A Madison,F Roach,D Ryans,M Anderson all were good to great performers. As for 27 comments,I liked JK,but he relied opon those great player to work his bend but don't break D. I will add before these guys were experienced we lost to Ucheat on an 4th and 19 play. IMO,JK's D was not that effective with average talent. I stand by my take that he was an average DC,not a bad DC,but an average DC,and an excellent LB coach.
 
You just have to watch out for that inside trap...It got him pretty good one day. I will also say this after his first year here at Alabama I was ready to see him out. The Arkansas game where they came back from 21, the loss to NIU, I can live with the UGA, the loss at Ole Miss(I still think about how bad our defense was that day) the loss to UT in OT(all the points came in OT thanks to being 25 yards out) and 37 points to Hawaii yea I got to stop 2003 sucked...

In 2006 that OSU team that you guys beat 34 33 we lost to 34 31. I love CJK great guy and works very hard at what he does. My point is that you can't just compare one game...
 
Got to say that as a coach that it is hard to watch the game from the stands or on TV. I can understand why he may not be able to quit and wish him the best of luck!
 
Age is not a factor. Joe is 63 (Joe Kines). JoePA and Diddy Bowden are 17 years older than Coach Kines. There is plenty of time left for coaching. New York Giants Coach
Tom Coughlin turns 62 this year.

During Coach Kines stay as Defensive Coordinator he had good defenses. The offense left the D on the field too many times to win the game. Lets be honest, had the Offense been more productive the D would have preformed much better.

Hire the Man. He will do aTm right. That I do know. :biga2:
 
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THE BAMA IRISHMAN said:
Age is not a factor. Joe is 63 (Joe Kines). JoePA and Diddy Bowden are 17 years older than Coach Kines. There is plenty of time left for coaching. New York Giants Coach
Tom Coughlin turns 62 this year.

During Coach Kines stay as Defensive Coordinator he had good defenses. The offense left the D on the field too many times to win the game. Lets be honest, had the Offense been more productive the D would have preformed much better.

Hire the Man. He will do aTm right. That I do know. :biga2:
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Yeah,I would have to agree on one point,compared to the OC and HC JK was a great coach.
 
Joe Kines is a young 63 so I don't see age as a consideration. He has never had a drop of alcohol or smoked. He still draws his $275,000 salary from the University. The real consideration would be his two grandsons here is T-town. But as he says, "Moma still likes to buy new shoes".
 
drjamesm said:
That was my point exactly,the defense we had in the cotton bowl was laden with great defensive players that were recruited prior to the ecHCMS or DC JK era. Charlie Peprah,Bino,R Harper,A Madison,F Roach,D Ryans,M Anderson all were good to great performers. As for 27 comments,I liked JK,but he relied opon those great player to work his bend but don't break D. I will add before these guys were experienced we lost to Ucheat on an 4th and 19 play. IMO,JK's D was not that effective with average talent. I stand by my take that he was an average DC,not a bad DC,but an average DC,and an excellent LB coach.
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Don't hang that loss on 4th and 19 without hanging some of the blame on the offense who couldn't convert a third down. The defense stayed on the field twice as long as they should have.
 
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Don't hang that loss on 4th and 19 without hanging some of the blame on the offense who couldn't convert a third down. The defense stayed on the field twice as long as they should have.
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You're true in some respect. But they did convert the 3rd down near the end of regulation that would have won the game. Shaud got a horrible spot!!!!:mad:

And here you've made me relive it all over again. :willy_nilly:

Thanks! rtr
 
TxAggie99 said:
Thanks guys.

He is definitely on campus interviewing today. There are conflicting reports as to how close they are to a deal but safe to say he is the leading (and only) candidate at the moment.

Perhaps THE primary concern among A&M fans is how passive our defense was under the previous coaching staff. Some of that was dictated by talent and the overall lack of team speed on D. Addressing that issue is a priority for the new staff but Aggies will be pretty disgusted if the next guy employs a similar approach. Most agree that we'd rather sell out trying to dictate to the offense rather than sit back and get picked apart by all of the spread / pass oriented offenses in the Big 12.

Herring was billed as an aggressive, attacking DC when he was hired a little over 30 days. In fact, so was Carl Torbush when he came with Fran but we never saw that play out on the field.
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Really don't understand why Torbush wasn't sucessful there. He had great D's at Bama. As for Coach Kines...........quality person..........quality coach.........PERIOD!! :) Your school would be very fortunate to have him. :PDT_Armataz_02_43:
 
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A Joe Kines defense was responsible for the only 10-win season during the Mike Shula era. If the offense could have scored a few more points, then that team might well have gone undefeated. Joe Kines would be a good addition to any coaching staff.
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If the offense had been 75% as effective as the defense, Shula would still be coaching at Bama. Scary thought, huh!
 
So if you're still there TxAggie, here's the deal. Joe Kines ran something called an "inside-out" D. Basically the idea was to have guys that were undersized at their positions but were quicker and speedier than normal. The defensive schemes were designed to force the play to the outside (get the ballcarrier going east/west, get the QB to throw a horizontal pass, etc.) with the idea that the faster defensive players could stop the play with a minimal loss of yardage. The schemes involved a lot of soft zone coverages with very little blitzing or even a pass rush(not sure if that was intended or not). So yes, CJK definitely runs a "bend but don't break" type D that will give up a few long drives a game but will also not make many mistakes or give up many big plays.
 
Ag,

I saw an article on ESPN about Davie maybe coming back to College Station. He did a fabulous job with the Wrecking Crew, and would be a great add.

As far as Joe Kines, I think he would do great also. The type of players Franny was recruiting for his 4-2-5 fit pretty well into Joe's 3-3 stack, and once the players learned the scheme, you'd have a really good D.
 
You couldn't find a better DC who is currently available . He's clearly superior to Bob Domer . CJK ran a 3-3-5 because we didn't have any DT's on campus . So , even with a hand tied behind his back , he managed to consistently place in the top 3 nationally . He was a "bend not break" guy during the 80's but , was not upon his return and upped his % of blitzes in line with almost any other coach . That being said , I doubt he will take the job or any other job .
 
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