That is a great comparison. Everybody was swearing that Tua was a bust and just couldn't hack it in the NFL after his first couple of years (and those years were definitely bad). But then Miami put the right pieces in place (with coaching and players) and now Tua is a front-runner for MVP. I firmly believe Mac could have similar success in the right situation...
Mac is probably done at New England (Pats-Colts aftermath)
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That is a great comparison. Everybody was swearing that Tua was a bust and just couldn't hack it in the NFL after his first couple of years (and those years were definitely bad). But then Miami put the right pieces in place (with coaching and players) and now Tua is a front-runner for MVP. I firmly believe Mac could have similar success in the right situation...
Cousins is one in a line of players who were/are very good but not great QBs.
He's a legitimate franchise player.
Right now, Mac looks like a journeyman.
Mac is what he is as a pro QB.
In the right system, surrounded by the right players, he could be good, but he's never going to be the kind of QB that elevates a bad to middling team.
He was drafted into a bad situation that continues to deteriorate.
Mac’s in a bad spot right now. Some of that might be his own doing. A lot of it isn’t. So I think we‘re overstating the case regarding an inability to be a good professional QB.
As in, if he’s so hopelessly inept now, how is it that he was so promising after his rookie year?
We all agree that the current situation isn’t sustainable for either Mac or the Patriots. But that doesn’t mean his career is done. It does mean he’s used up all his extra chances  he absolutely positively has to be successful wherever he lands.
I’m old enough to remember when Steve Young was viewed as a bust, having spent two years on horrible Tampa Bay Bucs teams. Got traded to San Francisco, learned behind Joe Montana, took over for Montana, won multiple Super Bowls, and is now in the Hall of Fame. At a slightly less-accomplished level, others in this thread have cited Kirk Cousins.
That doesn’t mean I think Mac is HOF material. Just that even the best of the best QBs need a supporting cast of both players and coaches  which he had as a rookie and doesn’t have now.
As in, if he’s so hopelessly inept now, how is it that he was so promising after his rookie year?
We all agree that the current situation isn’t sustainable for either Mac or the Patriots. But that doesn’t mean his career is done. It does mean he’s used up all his extra chances  he absolutely positively has to be successful wherever he lands.
I’m old enough to remember when Steve Young was viewed as a bust, having spent two years on horrible Tampa Bay Bucs teams. Got traded to San Francisco, learned behind Joe Montana, took over for Montana, won multiple Super Bowls, and is now in the Hall of Fame. At a slightly less-accomplished level, others in this thread have cited Kirk Cousins.
That doesn’t mean I think Mac is HOF material. Just that even the best of the best QBs need a supporting cast of both players and coaches  which he had as a rookie and doesn’t have now.
don't have the link but it appears Belichick and the Pats will "mutually part ways "
Bryce would be tiny as an NBA guard...as an NFL QB he's microscopic.
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Alabama fans can have very short memories at times.
How quickly it's been forgotten just how surgically accurate Mac was in 2020.
He wasn't just some game manager QB that was made to look better than he was because of the players around him.
He made them better too.
He set the NCAA record in Comp % and QB Rating.
He lost his #2 WR just a few games into the season.
He put up INSANE numbers against a FULL 11 Game SEC Schedule w/ Zero Creampuffs.
He wasn't just throwing to wide open WR's..
He was THROWING them open and putting the football through the eye of a needle at times.
He showed a LOT of promise his rookie season in NE but that whole organization is a dumpster fire and Mac is pretty much shell shocked.
He needs a change of scenery with a good OC and some better players around him and he could be an All-Pro QB.
He might turn his career around and he might not but he won't fail because of not being talented enough because that's just not true.
How quickly it's been forgotten just how surgically accurate Mac was in 2020.
He wasn't just some game manager QB that was made to look better than he was because of the players around him.
He made them better too.
He set the NCAA record in Comp % and QB Rating.
He lost his #2 WR just a few games into the season.
He put up INSANE numbers against a FULL 11 Game SEC Schedule w/ Zero Creampuffs.
He wasn't just throwing to wide open WR's..
He was THROWING them open and putting the football through the eye of a needle at times.
He showed a LOT of promise his rookie season in NE but that whole organization is a dumpster fire and Mac is pretty much shell shocked.
He needs a change of scenery with a good OC and some better players around him and he could be an All-Pro QB.
He might turn his career around and he might not but he won't fail because of not being talented enough because that's just not true.
Can someone tell me what NFL QB has been so good that he elevated a sucky team (and franchise) around him to another level?
Who are they? The Patriots didn't always have the best roster when Brady was there but it as 10 times better than what they are right now.
All the great QBs you could name will have also played on teams that were at least competent everywhere around them.
Mac may be a bust. But right now New England SUCKS as an organization. Mac is not even the worst of their problems.
Who are they? The Patriots didn't always have the best roster when Brady was there but it as 10 times better than what they are right now.
All the great QBs you could name will have also played on teams that were at least competent everywhere around them.
Mac may be a bust. But right now New England SUCKS as an organization. Mac is not even the worst of their problems.
I don't see Mac as a hall of fame QB but I do believe given the right tools he can win a superbowl. There are a lot of superbowl winning QB's that were similar, guys who given the right tools will win and win at the highest level. I do believe Mac is done in New England but if he can find the right landing spot I believe he can deliver the ball. The Titnans might be a good spot, the Giants got nothing. Russell Wilson in Denver is like 70 years old or something. There are places.
Take a look at Belichick with and without Tom Brady stats in his career and it makes you think if Belichick is the "genius" and "GOAT H.C" of the NFL or merely an extremely lucky guy.
Denver be good Sean Peyton is QB guru, Giants are going after best QB in the draft,
He was top 5-6 in the AFC his rookie year. The team around him is beyond terrible.
I think the only way he revives his career is a change of scenery, but make no mistake, any quarterback in his situation would look this bad.
I've seen that. Allegedly he is going to go somewhere else too and that place may already be lined up. That last part is all rumor though. Him leaving NE seems like more of a sure thing.
I think one could argue that most of the success that the Packers had over the last 15 years was due more to Aaron Rogers being spectacular than it had to do with the cast surrounding him.
Personally, I think the team could have won multiple SB's if they'd spent money on better skill players.
I'm not saying the Packers were garbage, but they were pretty average outside Rogers' amazing play.
Not to forget that Brady won 6 SB on a team that converted a college QB to WR and during one SB run was using a DB converted to WR.
Brady elevated everyone around him.
Outside Moss, Gronk and to a lesser extent, Edelman, who were the top-level skill players surrounding Brady during his tenure in NE?
As a Packers fan myself, fan anger with the front office is off the charts. Years of poor early draft picks (and I think poor S&C) are coming home to roost now that Rodgers is gone.
Gosh! Who could have foreseen that with BoB's brilliance coming to Foxboro?
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