US launches strikes against Venezuela, captures Maduro

[92tide]

With Trump, there are always ulterior motives.

there are probably as many motives as there are people in the mango moron's ears

 

[Bamaro]

The only persons not happy, are non-Venezuelans......

And non republicans.
Its amazing to me how issues like this fall on party lines. I have no doubt if this was a democrat doing this, most dems would support it and most reps would oppose. SMH

 

[92tide]

That and an inability to think beyond the first step.


And it might just be me, but forcibly removing another country’s leader from power isn’t very FIFA Peace Prize winning of Trump.

this is totally fifa peace prize worthy.

we will be greeted as liberators

 

[92tide]

And non republicans.
Its amazing to me how issues like this fall on party lines. I have no doubt if this was a democrat dong this, most dems would support it and most reps would oppose. SMH

 

[selmaborntidefan]

one despot replaced with another one. rinse and repeat

Probably gonna apply the JFK test of “but he’s OUR despot.”

Then it’s ok or something like that.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

At first glance, it appears Trump has just decoupled South America from Russia, Iran, and China. If that’s what he was doing and it’s not some happy accident, I think I’m starting to understand better than I did yesterday. Geopolitics 101…..something I completely missed when this story broke.

 

[81usaf92]

At first glance, it appears Trump has just decoupled South America from Russia, Iran, and China. If that’s what he was doing and it’s not some happy accident, I think I’m starting to understand better than I did yesterday. Geopolitics 101…..something I completely missed when this story broke.

Well it goes back to the statement… “everyone knows how to remove the violent dictator but no one knows how to handle the consequences of it”.

 

[bamaga]

At first glance, it appears Trump has just decoupled South America from Russia, Iran, and China. If that’s what he was doing and it’s not some happy accident, I think I’m starting to understand better than I did yesterday. Geopolitics 101…..something I completely missed when this story broke.

He did invoke the Monroe Doctrine.

 

[Padreruf]

The problem is not the action in and of itself, as egregious as it seems. Maduro was a narco tyrant and had bankrupted Venezuela -- and was supported by Cuban troops. He needed to go...for the sake of Venezuelans. The problem is that motor mouth DJT has little or no credibility in actions such as this. I sure hope our generals and State Department have a solid plan or this will be another Afghanistan or Iraq.

 

[arthurdawg]

one despot replaced with another one. rinse and repeat

Yep... Little prospect of us nation building them to anything resembling a functional democracy.

 

[81usaf92]

The problem is not the action in and of itself, as egregious as it seems. Maduro was a narco tyrant and had bankrupted Venezuela -- and was supported by Cuban troops. He needed to go...for the sake of Venezuelans. The problem is that motor mouth DJT has little or no credibility in actions such as this. I sure hope our generals and State Department have a solid plan or this will be another Afghanistan or Iraq.

I recall reading several times Stalin wanted to kill Tito because Tito prevented Soviet influence in the area and constantly openly criticized Stalin. Finally someone convinced Stalin to let it go because the power vacuum it would cause would send the balkans into chaos and force the Soviet Union into putting out the fire. After Tito eventually died this assessment was proven to be correct.

Basically a violent dictator isn’t the worst thing.

 

[92tide]

The problem is not the action in and of itself, as egregious as it seems. Maduro was a narco tyrant and had bankrupted Venezuela -- and was supported by Cuban troops. He needed to go...for the sake of Venezuelans. The problem is that motor mouth DJT has little or no credibility in actions such as this. I sure hope our generals and State Department have a solid plan or this will be another Afghanistan or Iraq.

this is going to be another afghanistan/iraq. just closer to home.

and then we're going to "take back" mexico, cuba, columbia, greenland

 

[81usaf92]

this is going to be another afghanistan/iraq. just closer to home.

and then we're going to "take back" mexico, cuba, columbia, greenland

Idk if it’s that potentially bad. Venezuela is not as complicated of a situation as those two. But one thing we don’t want to do is occupy and try to run the country.

 

[arthurdawg]

I recall reading several times Stalin wanted to kill Tito because Tito prevented Soviet influence in the area and constantly openly criticized Stalin. Finally someone convinced Stalin to let it go because the power vacuum it would cause would send the balkans into chaos and force the Soviet Union into putting out the fire. After Tito eventually died this assessment was proven to be correct.

Basically a violent dictator isn’t the worst thing.

Same as removing Saddam Hussein... If you have no plan and no ability to install a functioning government because the country is so chaotic and lacks any real government behind "boss men" you face a long and difficult road.

Which is why our bureaucracy here is annoying but good to ultimately have in place.

 

[92tide]

Idk if it’s that potentially bad. Venezuela is not as complicated of a situation as those two. But one thing we don’t want to do is occupy and try to run the country.

hopefully i am wrong, but i don't see any way these idiots do anything but make the situation much worse.

 

[92tide]

Same as removing Saddam Hussein... If you have no plan and no ability to install a functioning government because the country is so chaotic and lacks any real government behind "boss men" you face a long and difficult road.

Which is why our bureaucracy here is annoying but good to ultimately have in place.

they can't even run a functioning government here, i don't have a lot of confidence in them succeeding in venezuela

 

[81usaf92]

Same as removing Saddam Hussein... If you have no plan and no ability to install a functioning government because the country is so chaotic and lacks any real government behind "boss men" you face a long and difficult road.

Which is why our bureaucracy here is annoying but good to ultimately have in place.

Well here is the thing, once you put boots on the ground or try to project political influence over a sovereign nation you instantly become the enemy. So all this “look they are celebrating” take is forgetting that Afghanis and Iraqis were celebrating too in 02 and 03.

I think there is a reason that we pulled out of the Bay of Pigs and stopped trying to kill Castro after JFK. Yet Castro gave us far more reasons to do it than Maduro ever did.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I think there is a reason that we pulled out of the Bay of Pigs and stopped trying to kill Castro after JFK. Yet Castro gave us far more reasons to do it than Maduro ever did.

Reagan's insertion of troops into Lebanon in 1982-83 is remembered as a colossal disaster because it ended with the Beirut barracks attack that killed 243 Marines and - put crudely - America turning its tail and running back home. The part so often overlooked is that it was an HONEST ATTEMPT to stop killing that over time deteriorated from original humanitarian mission into an ill-defined occupation that was the biggest foreign policy calamity of his administration in terms of lives lost. He was - literally - trying to keep Israelis from slaughtering Palestinians (the PLO) in 1982. (Yes, I know this doesn't fit everyone's paradigm of Republican Presidents. Welcome to the real world).

The point being: it ain't where it starts, it's where it goes. And the best of intentions often result in the most catastrophic consequences.

Now every one of you that defends pretty much every act this guy does: does Donald Trump sound to ANY OF YOU like he actually has the basic smarts to think through a REAL WORLD solution to anything?

For those keeping score at home, we are right now at the point where he has just bought himself a patchwork football team and announced with his crooked lawyer that he's suing the NFL for being a monopoly.

You know how this story always ends.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Venezuelan man:

“Those who say that the U.S. is only interested in our oil, I ask you:

What do you think the RUSSIANS and the CHINESE wanted here?

The recipe for arepas?"

https://twitter.com/x/status/2007664341076619520

 

[92tide]

You know how this story always ends.

with everyone getting screwed while he walks away avoiding consequences?