Immigration and Customs Enforcement (I.C.E.) (part II)

[75thru79]

Remember Corporate America wanted or incentivized much of the issue we have. They wanted access to the cheap labor to improve profit margins, and still do. So blame them more than our political parties.

I get that you hate Corporate America but you're not even close on this. Migrants dominate landscaping, housing construction, and other outdoor hard labor jobs. Almost all of these are small businesses. I'm sure you have illegals working in some manual labor jobs that are done by corporations but not that many.. The lion's share work for small businesses.

Under an approved naturalization application, after the 2 years, the applicant is eligible to vote in any and all federal, state, and local elections.

Hard NO on that one. That is the reason Biden let 'em in to begin with. So they come across the border illegally and two years later they are voting for President? I believe in a pathway to citizenship but no voting until you actually become a citizen.

 

[Its On A Slab]

Hard NO on that one. That is the reason Biden let 'em in to begin with. So they come across the border illegally and two years later they are voting for President? I believe in a pathway to citizenship but no voting until you actually become a citizen.

So, you are saying that, if someone is a naturalized citizen (goes thru the process), that person shouldn't be allowed to vote? I hope I'm not reading this right.

For the sake of argument, would you apply the same standard to those white Afrikaaners that Trump just green-lighted ahead of everybody else?

 

[75thru79]

So, you are saying that, if someone is a naturalized citizen (goes thru the process), that person shouldn't be allowed to vote? I hope I'm not reading this right.

I said no voting if you are not a citizen. A naturalized citizen is still a citizen. Someone that has been given a green card is not a citizen. This isn't that hard. Your second point is moot. If the Afrikaaners aren't citizens then they can't vote, same as everyone else.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I'm not arguing at all - I agree with what you said. I'm just pointing out that most American voters are in favor of a path to citizenship. It's not accurate to frame it as a left-wing stance.

Ignoring independents - as most of the time many here refer to them as "independents" (I'm guessing they only count as truly independent when it's prudent to do so) - the numbers are pretty starkly left leaning. I mean, there are literally zero independent representatives or senators in office in Congress.

Open borders resulting in the need for mass deportations of illegals is absolutely a 'left' problem.

How it's being handled is up for debate, but where it's from really isn't.

 

[JDCrimson]

I get that you hate Corporate America but you're not even close on this. Migrants dominate landscaping, housing construction, and other outdoor hard labor jobs. Almost all of these are small businesses. I'm sure you have illegals working in some manual labor jobs that are done by corporations but not that many.. The lion's share work for small businesses.


Hard NO on that one. That is the reason Biden let 'em in to begin with. So they come across the border illegally and two years later they are voting for President? I believe in a pathway to citizenship but no voting until you actually become a citizen.

I do not hate Corporate America, I did not even say that. But that is the truth. Construction, agriculture, food processing all have benefited from illegal labor. They asked politicians to turn a blind eye to it.

The experience of voting in elections should be part of the naturalization process. Currently it takes waaay too long to become a citizen in this country and that process reinforces illegal entry.

They system must be modernized to incent legal entry. Shortening the timeframe does that.

Simple fact is we cannot grow our economy without immigration. We a re experiencing significant population aging which will be followed by population decline. A lower worker tax base and unbalanced corporate tax base escalates our national debt which fuels escalating inflation which can drive away population if its perceived the cost of living in our country is not affordable or sustainable.

I have an economics degree and studied these macro-economic trends. There are systemic problems that result with restrictive immigration in both consumer and producer economies.

 

[75thru79]

I do not hate Corporate America, I did not even say that. But that is the truth. Construction, agriculture, food processing all have benefited from illegal labor. They asked politicians to turn a blind eye to it.

The experience of voting in elections should be part of the naturalization process. Currently it takes waaay too long to become a citizen in this country and that process reinforces illegal entry.

They system must be modernized to incent legal entry. Shortening the timeframe does that.

Simple fact is we cannot grow our economy without immigration. We a re experiencing significant population aging which will be followed by population decline. A lower worker tax base and unbalanced corporate tax base escalates our national debt which fuels escalating inflation which can drive away population if its perceived the cost of living in our country is not affordable or sustainable.

I have an economics degree and studied these macro-economic trends. There are systemic problems that result with restrictive immigration in both consumer and producer economies.

I've yet to see a single post on this forum where people are not in favor of immigration. Not one. What I was against was illegal immigration where hordes of people ignored our laws and clandestinely (and in many cases not) poured across the border while the POTUS did absolutely nothing to stop it. It was not sustainable in even our wildest imaginations. Is the current quota to low? Probably so but we need Congress to set those limits, not the illegal marketplace.

People come here for their family's economic future. All that other safety and persecution stuff is BS as it is intended for political persecution, not the fact you have organized crime controlling your neighborhood. Shortening the time frame to citizenship will not change how many people come across the border. Why would it when you get all the benefits as citizens except maybe the right to vote. It's all about money in case you haven't figured it out yet. They come here for the money.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Again

 

[CrimsonJazz]

BREAKING: Huge victory as Tom Homan reveals ICE located over 3,300 MISSING MIGRANT CHILDREN in Minnesota

"Children that the last administration lost and weren't even LOOKING for!"

This is massive, it should be front-page news!

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021953230042018218

If this is true, it absolutely should be front page news. (It won't be, but it should.) I just hope these children are being properly cared for and strong, good-faith efforts are being made to reunite them with their actual families.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I do not hate Corporate America, I did not even say that. But that is the truth. Construction, agriculture, food processing all have benefited from illegal labor. They asked politicians to turn a blind eye to it.

The experience of voting in elections should be part of the naturalization process. Currently it takes waaay too long to become a citizen in this country and that process reinforces illegal entry.

They system must be modernized to incent legal entry. Shortening the timeframe does that.

Simple fact is we cannot grow our economy without immigration. We a re experiencing significant population aging which will be followed by population decline. A lower worker tax base and unbalanced corporate tax base escalates our national debt which fuels escalating inflation which can drive away population if its perceived the cost of living in our country is not affordable or sustainable.

I have an economics degree and studied these macro-economic trends. There are systemic problems that result with restrictive immigration in both consumer and producer economies.

If by "benefitted" you mean they've increased the profits in their pockets by lowering their wage base by what they pay the illegals, yet not passing those savings onto the end user, which is the average citizen, then you're right. They've "benefitted". It's only benefiting the people at the top of the business food chain. It is not benefiting the average citizen. In a lot of those industries, it is costing the average citizen decent paying jobs. Do you think construction contractors are lowering their selling price to the buyer because they're able to save so much money by using illegal workers? If you think they are, you are very naive. The agriculture and food processing plants are doing the same thing. They are pocketing those extra profits and the end users are still paying prices they would have if the companies were paying American workers.

So, in the end, it's helping the business owners at the top (the rich) and it's helping the illegals, but the losers are the American customer and the American worker. Sounds like how things have run forever in this country. The average citizens get screwed while the rich business owners rake in more profits. So much for that "trickle down economics". LOL!

 

[Huckleberry]

Ignoring independents - as most of the time many here refer to them as "independents" (I'm guessing they only count as truly independent when it's prudent to do so) - the numbers are pretty starkly left leaning. I mean, there are literally zero independent representatives or senators in office in Congress.

Open borders resulting in the need for mass deportations of illegals is absolutely a 'left' problem.

How it's being handled is up for debate, but where it's from really isn't.

Open borders is certainly a “left” problem. It’s not all Democrats though. The last poll I saw (from 2024) had 35% supporting open borders (for the record, I don’t support them).

As far as the issue of deportation of illegals, you can try to make the poll say whatever you want, but it’s clear that most Americans support a path to citizenship rather than deporting all of them.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

BREAKING: Huge victory as Tom Homan reveals ICE located over 3,300 MISSING MIGRANT CHILDREN in Minnesota

"Children that the last administration lost and weren't even LOOKING for!"

This is massive, it should be front-page news!

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021953230042018218

If this is true, it absolutely should be front page news. (It won't be, but it should.) I just hope these children are being properly cared for and strong, good-faith efforts are being made to reunite them with their actual families.

The Biden administration is still looking for migrant families separated under Trump

Roughly 1,000 children have yet to be reunited with their parents. Why is it taking so long?

www.motherjones.com

Trump administration separates thousands of migrant families in the U.S.

President Donald Trump’s zero-tolerance immigration policy split more than 5,000 children from their families at the Mexico border during his first term, when images of babies and toddlers taken from the arms of mothers sparked global condemnation.

www.pbs.org

The Biden administration reunited 1000s of families. It’s not Biden’s fault that Trump did so much damage in his first term that it was hard to fix it all in just 4 years. Never forget who started this mess and now continues it in his second term.

 

[Its On A Slab]

Open borders is certainly a “left” problem. It’s not all Democrats though. The last poll I saw (from 2024) had 35% supporting open borders (for the record, I don’t support them).

As far as the issue of deportation of illegals, you can try to make the poll say whatever you want, but it’s clear that most Americans support a path to citizenship rather than deporting all of them.

It is an and always has been a manufactured "crisis", a bugbear to get Trump a 2nd term.

The guys that cut my grass all last Summer, I'd wager that they didn't all have their green cards. Nor did I think they were all MS13 gang members, rapists, killers, criminals. But if you listen to the Republican/MAGA Sound Machine, every last one of them are coming to rape you family and rob you blind.

 

[Its On A Slab]

I said no voting if you are not a citizen. A naturalized citizen is still a citizen. Someone that has been given a green card is not a citizen. This isn't that hard. Your second point is moot. If the Afrikaaners aren't citizens then they can't vote, same as everyone else.

The Orange One has guaranteed them all a "rapid pathway to citizenship".

If they weren't white, would they get the same push?

 

[92tide]

Rand Paul Plays Alex Pretti Killing During Senate Hearing: ‘Not Even a Hint’ of Aggression ‘On His Part’

Rand Paul confronted the Trump administration's leaders on immigration enforcement with a breakdown of the shooting video of Alex Pretti.

www.mediaite.com

 

[75thru79]

If they weren't white, would they get the same push?

 

[92tide]

from the wwjd files

'Even in Russia, they don't treat children like this': A family's nightmare in ICE detention

A Russian couple and their children sought asylum in the U.S. In a Texas detention center, they say they endured worms in the food and hourslong waits for medicine.

www.nbcnews.com

On Nov. 16, a mental health counselor recorded in Kamilla’s medical records that her mother reported the girl had lost her appetite after being “served food that contained worms.”

A week later, the couple said, children were told to gather in the gym for what they believed would be a Thanksgiving celebration. Excitement spread as families saw tables set with turkey, sandwiches, pastries and pies, they said. The children waited expectantly. But when a parent asked when the celebration would begin, Oksana said, staff told them the holiday meal was for employees, not detainees.

The children, she said, watched despondently as the feast was packed away.

 

[92tide]

i am shocked

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/13/ice-minneapolis-shooting-assault-00780839

Two federal officers appear to have lied about an incident last month in Minneapolis that ended with one of them shooting a Venezuelan immigrant in the leg, ICE Acting Director Todd Lyons said Friday.

The two officers are under investigation by the Justice Department, Lyons said. The announcement comes one day after federal prosecutors dropped the criminal cases against two immigrants in connection with the Jan. 14 episode. Department of Homeland Security leaders, including Secretary Kristi Noem, had previously defended the officers, saying they had fended off an “attempted murder” and that one officer had fired in self-defense.