Trump Attacks Iran, II

[cdub55]

We are all in wait and see what these idiots do next mode...

Its false equivalency, Biden didnt start a war in his mental decline...

You're telling me the mythical Mossad who laid in wait for a couple of decades to blow up a whole terrorist group with Pagers, cant affect regime change or impose nuclear deterrence? Something doesnt align here. With our air cover the Israelis are sufficiently motivated and bloodthirsty to affect regime change.

True...he was too busy shipping millions of immigrants into our backyards and housing them in 5 star hotels with loaded credit cards and sending trillions of dollars oversees for much needed government foreign aid such as Sesame Street and tourism in Egypt projects.

 

[crimsonaudio]

The Wall Street Journal reports that Saudi Arabia is close to a decision to join the attacks against Iran

https://twitter.com/x/status/2036393174810193937

 

[AWRTR]

True...he was too busy shipping millions of immigrants into our backyards and housing them in 5 star hotels with loaded credit cards and sending trillions of dollars oversees for much needed government foreign aid such as Sesame Street and tourism in Egypt projects.

Don't forget the debacle in Afghanistan. That was fun.

 

[81usaf92]

100% was NOT thinking about you when I said that - I literally ran through the recent discussions that had wide-spread interactions from people, most of which we not resident experts (as you are in this case). Apologies for making you feel that way, in retrospect I can see how that might have come across.

Mea culpa.

Agreed on all this, though point #2 I might question. While not wanting to see Iran win, it seems rather obvious there are those who want Trump to 'lose' above all else.

I get it., he's unlikable much of the time.


I had my frustrations with Obama, but man I miss the old-school political 'class' he generally carried himself with. He seemed to understand the gravity of the position, I'm not sure anyone since has.


Possibly. But Iran has demonstrated that they have ICBMs that reach far beyond the 2,000km limit they had said. They might have required time to dial them in but the UK was going to be within range in the not-too-distant future - and a county like Iran - led by religious lunatics - cannot be allowed to have weapons like that. Until they fired on Diego Garcia I questioned the decision to go, but now I do not.

That’s fair. But here is my main issue. We have the presumptive next PM in Israel is making threats towards Turkey in the open. My problem in this whole thing is more that we got goaded into this fight, and it begs the question is if there is a red line in these discussions with the Israelis or if it’s whatever Israel wants.

Iran’s new known capabilities are worrisome but i just don’t know if toppling the regime is really the best outcome. I’m more of the opinion that until a viable replacement is found then what we have been doing before this is probably the best course of action. But I don’t think there is a great decision at this point.

 

[Its On A Slab]

Possibly. I've condemned both Biden and Trump and both parties they represent.

When one tribe can ONLY post negatives about the other, that's where it's most obvious. Some here literally championed Biden's mental acuity, completely ignoring the plainly obvious, while never once suggesting anything Trump does is a good idea (or even better, saying he needs to be ousted via the 25A). And vice versa - there are MAGA posters who think everything Trump does is genius and that Biden was brain-dead for the entire four years he was in office.

If literally every post is rooting against the POTUS, on every position, tribalism is more important to that person than the good of the USA.

It's just humorous how many people post on these threads how stupid and moronic Trump and every person in his administration are while ME experts who have lived their entire lives there along with many leaders of the countries in the area (often muslim countries who historically hate Israel) are siding with the US and Israel in this attack.

It literally comes across as if some are wanting to see the US fail so they can pat each other on the back for calling Trump stupid...

I just want what's best for the USA.

Look at the Administration's headline-makers. Starting with Trump, himself. Kristi Noem(now MarkWayne Mullin), Pete Hegseth, RFK Jr., Ka$h Patel, the whole "DOGE" carnival. If you take these people seriously, I don't know what else to say about your worldview.

 

[Its On A Slab]

Saudis cheering us on from the sidelines.

"Hey! Allah bless America! Houthis kicked our بأعقاب when we tried it, but we are on your side!"

Trump pressed to deploy troops in a ground invasion by Saudi strongman

Saudi Arabia's leader has urged Donald Trump to deploy ground troops in Iran and believes the war is a 'historic opportunity' to bring about regime change.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[crimsonaudio]

That’s fair. But here is my main issue. We have the presumptive next PM in Israel is making threats towards Turkey in the open. My problem in this whole thing is more that we got goaded into this fight, and it begs the question is if there is a red line in these discussions with the Israelis or if it’s whatever Israel wants.

I know that we here know far less regarding Iran's capabilities than those making the decisions, and in retrospect, I don't believe we were goaded into anything - I think we knew that Iran was on the verge of being able to hold the world under nuclear threat and decided to take the initiative.

Iran’s new known capabilities are worrisome but i just don’t know if toppling the regime is really the best outcome. I’m more of the opinion that until a viable replacement is found then what we have been doing before this is probably the best course of action. But I don’t think there is a great decision at this point.

Again, I don't think waiting around is going to work. Despite our best (and worst) efforts they have continued to work towards having weapons that could threaten the entire world, and insane people like that simply cannot be allowed access to those weapons.

I agree this will likely get far worse before it gets better, but I also don't think we had much choice, retrospectively - whether it was 2 weeks or two years from now, they were going to have ICBMs with nuclear warheads.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Look at the Administration's headline-makers. Starting with Trump, himself. Kristi Noem(now MarkWayne Mullin), Pete Hegseth, RFK Jr., Ka$h Patel, the whole "DOGE" carnival. If you take these people seriously, I don't know what else to say about your worldview.

I've not once suggested that I take them seriously. But I also don't think every single thing they do is moronic. The fact that you cannot find one positive thing to say about anyone in the administration says more about you than them, imo.

 

[Bazza]

 

[bamaga]

my issue now is, why in the first few days of the Warflict, Iran launched thousands of missiles and drones at Israel and the Gulf States, very few got through. Now two weeks later, the missiles are doing damage in Israel. This after we heard 80% of Iran’s missiles and drones were shot or destroyed in the US and its Gulf allies are not out of interceptor missiles. This makes very little sense to me unless there’s a third option that being China or Russia are providing more highly advanced missiles..

 

[spidermayin]

I just question the intelligence on how close Iran was to developing a nuclear weapon.

 

[92tide]

more moronic stuff from the confederacy of dunces

US expected to send thousands more soldiers to Middle East, sources say

News ‌of reinforcements ⁠comes just a day after Trump postponed threats to bomb Iranian power plants, saying there had been "productive" talks with Iran.

www.reuters.com

 

[92tide]

my issue now is, why in the first few days of the Warflict, Iran launched thousands of missiles and drones at Israel and the Gulf States, very few got through. Now two weeks later, the missiles are doing damage in Israel. This after we heard 80% of Iran’s missiles and drones were shot or destroyed in the US and its Gulf allies are not out of interceptor missiles. This makes very little sense to me unless there’s a third option that being China or Russia are providing more highly advanced missiles..

it could also be that what we heard was not true, or at least was greatly exaggerated

 

[crimsonaudio]

I just question the intelligence on how close Iran was to developing a nuclear weapon.

Yeah, we've been hearing that they're 'weeks away' for decades now, lliterally.

But the fact that they had developed long-range ICBMs is disconcerting enough, imo. Religious zealots like that cult leadership cannot have weapons like that.

 

[Bodhisattva]

I don’t belong to any side. The reality is there are tons of middle-east experts - that are from and live in the middle-east - who don’t know how this will turn out. Yet here on TF, we have people who recently pivoted from being voting experts to being educational experts to being middle-eastern political experts - seemingly wanting to see the US fail.

I’ve said many times that Trump is like Obama to me - I don’t care for some of his policies, but I want to see the US be successful.

So if I’m on a ‘side’ it’s simply the side of what’s best for the USA. I couldn’t care less who is driving the car if they get us where we need to go.

There is so much that is amusing about the tribalists and their binary thinking. You have to be of one tribe or the other. And if you are deemed part of the other tribe, you are a Nazi. To them, one cannot be moderate or libertarian or a non-party conservative/liberal. And then they pivot to claim that they aren't tribal, it's the tribal critics who are the tribalists. That's quite the deflection.

We've had posters here claim that libertarians (and Reason Magazine) are right wing and Trumpers. That's some painfully tortured logic for many reasons. The overarching one is that libertarians are proponents of very small government. That's worlds different from what the two major parties champion. Reason is very critical of Trump ... and the left/Democrats. When you take off your blinders, it's easy to see how much both sides suck.

It's also amazing how much of Trump's policies are in line with Democrat thinking. Trump is a proponent of big government and government intervention. Yet, all of a sudden, the Dems want to dial back the reach of government and oppose Trump's tariffs. Seems they've gotten religion and realize that increasing tariffs increases prices.

Now, if they only extend that thinking from taxes on imports to taxes generally. One day, maybe.

And, as much as I dislike Trump, can we stop with the Nazi talk? That's an insult to the millions of people who were murdered. If you really believe that you need to step away from politics. It's warping your brain. You're too invested in people who don't care anything about you. Go find a healthier hobby.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

Pete Hegseth: “We negotiate with bombs.”

Sounds like a deranged lunatic backed into a corner to me. I'm sick and tired of these moronic imbeciles that fill Rapist Trump's administration.

Trump only cares about profiting from this war which is why he continues to manipulate the markets only to reverse course hours after they close. His blind supporters refuse to see the truth. We have a real dictator profiting from a war he started.

 

[JDCrimson]

I just wonder what the response will be if somehow things work out for the better.

I suspect I know what will be said and where the focus will be...

Just like with Biden, tribalists can never admit they were wrong and always latch onto the tiniest thread of hope to show the other tribe as wrong...

The fact that the current administration is constantly referred to as idiots and morons while the last administration was praised is proof-positive that many cannot see beyond their bubble.

I have stated that I think these despotic regimes Venezuela, Cuba, Iran should be dealt with. But I still believe this administration are a bunch of idiots and morons. But even blind squirrels find a nut occasionally.

 

[92tide]

I have stated that I think these despotic regimes Venezuela, Cuba, Iran should be dealt with. But I still believe this administration are a bunch of idiots and morons. But even blind squirrels find a nut occasionally.

i'm sure the admin will tell us they are finding multiple "nuts" daily

 

[92tide]

Pete Hegseth: “We negotiate with bombs.”

Sounds like a deranged lunatic backed into a corner to me. I'm sick and tired of these moronic imbeciles that fill Rapist Trump's administration.

Trump only cares about profiting from this war which is why he continues to manipulate the markets only to reverse course hours after they close. His blind supporters refuse to see the truth. We have a real dictator profiting from a war he started.

 

[dayhiker]