Offseason Thoughts on The State of The Program

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Offseason thoughts on the state of Alabama football -- 2026

Apologies for the length. So many things to think about, most of which are intertwined. As much as we'd like it to be solvable with a sound bite, it’s just not simple.

Is DeBoer the right guy?

I think so.

But if you think he’s not, you know my next question: Who not named Anybody would (1) be an upgrade significant enough to justify both DeBoer’s buyout, the new coach’s buyout, and a laundry list of other buyouts, and (2) would realistically come?

Yeah, I’d rather have Kirby, Dan Lanning or Ryan Day. They’re not coming. So who?

Before you counter that the buyout wouldn’t be as big if Byrne hadn’t extended him this past spring, consider that under his initial contract, his buyout would still have been over $50 million. Then there’s the buyout of the new coach’s contract wherever he is now. And the staff. And the old and new staff’s buyouts. And the loss of Courtney Morgan. And, and, and.

But most important “and” is the Auburn-esque turnover and turmoil. Which brings me back to the question, “If not DeBoer, who?”

DeBoer has won big wherever he’s been. I do think the physicality of the SEC surprised him. Not the physicality of any one team, but the week-in-week-out grind. Everybody is strong, fast, and beyond bruising. But to his credit, and as evidenced by both changes in OL coaching and the heavy emphasis in the portal on down linemen, he saw that and is taking steps to fix the problem.

I still have some questions about S&C, so I have my eye on potential involuntary turnover there. No inside information, but I think Ballou is on a short leash.

Forgotten Circumstances
We tend to forget that Saban’s last three teams weren’t up to his own earlier standard. And they were steadily deteriorating year to year to year, especially on both sides of the LOS. If not for Bryce Young, we’d have lost several more games.

We also forget that DeBoer lost about 40 players from Saban’s last team. That includes QB Julian Sayin and DB Caleb Downs, both of whom went to tOSU and were All-Americans. Downs was college football’s defensive player of the year. Think we might not have lost to Vandy or a couple of others with those guys on the field?

Recruiting, Roster Building & "Yeah, but...."
When DeBoer was hired, the only concern I had was recruiting. As in, whether DeBoer could recruit in the deep south. His first two classes, both Top 5, answered that question positively.

The class that will sign in December of 2026 and February of 2027 is not living up to that standard.

Rather than yell and scream and stomp and burp about it, we need to answer, "Why is the 2026/2027 recruiting class not meeting prior standards?"

So many “Yeah, but…” points here.

There’s no question that the current class is several cuts below previous ones. We’ve missed out on a number of high-priority targets and have had to settle for developmental projects. Guys who will not realistically contribute until their Junior year.

Yeah, but DeBoer is doing a great job retaining players. Not many are hitting the portal. Look at Indiana to see how much player retention and time in the system matter.

Yeah, but due to today’s essentially non-existent eligibility rules, Indiana had full-grown men playing college ball. I heard on the Childers / Neuheisel show that last year’s Indiana team was older on average than last year’s Green Bay Packers. Match a 20 year old with 2 years in a college S&C program up against a 25 year old with 7 years, and what do you expect to happen?

So again, why are we missing on players we should get?

Money & More "Yeah, but..."
I don’t think Kalen DeBoer and Courtney Morgan suddenly got lazy or forgot how to recruit. I think the clear answer is money.

I’ve seen where Alabama’s roster spending was in the Top 5 in college football. I’m not sure I believe that.

Texas, aTm, Texas Tech, Oregon, LSU, tOSU, Michigan and Indiana all have the collegiate equivalent of owners – who aren’t constrained by legally-enforceable NFL rules on how they can spend their money. We might be in the Top 10…..maybe.

Alabama simply doesn’t have the financial resources that the above schools do. We just don’t.

You can scream that that’s not fair or that it shouldn’t matter. And you’d be right. But unless and until there’s some Congressional action (an anti-trust exemption, specific legislation, or a players’ union and CBA), you’re yelling at clouds.

Based on the combination of low roster turnover and a falloff in HS recruiting, and with exactly zero inside information, the logical conclusion is that we’re choosing to spend money on players already in the program.

If that’s right, DeBoer and Morgan have made the conscious decision to prioritize development and retention of proven players – supplemented with carefully chosen transfers – over talented but unproven HS players with big star ratings.

Yeah, but you have to have talent. You can’t develop what just isn’t there. Yeah, but stars don’t always turn into performance. Look at aTm’s class from Jimbo’s next to last year there. Yeah, but Saban’s best teams were littered with 4 and 5 stars.

And the biggest yeah-but: We just don’t have the money to win 10 – 20 bidding wars every year to recruit a roster full of 4 and 5 star guys out of HS.

OK, So What Should We Do While Waiting on Congress?
So how do you counter when you can’t just write endless checks?

You do what DeBoer and Morgan are doing. You reward performance by spending on the existing roster, instead of spending big bucks on unproven newcomers. You rely on your own evaluations, not star ratings, to identify (1) which newcomers are worth getting into a bidding war over, and (2) who you can develop. And you know you'd best be right on those evaluations.

When you have less money than some of your championship competitors, and splurge on a highly-touted player who doesn’t pan out for whatever reason, that’s doubly painful -- money thatyou really can’t spare is gone and you have nothing to show for it. Far more painful than signing an unheralded prospect who doesn’t develop as you had hoped he would.

Greg Byrne is the best AD in college sports. When the Michigan job came open, DeBoer could easily have gotten it if he'd wanted it. Byrne surveyed the coaching landscape and opted to double down on DeBoer.

I’m satisfied DeBoer is the best option who would realistically come to Tuscaloosa.

My real fear is that he gets frustrated by the combination of (1) limited funds vs. at least three other SEC teams (maybe more), (2) Alabama supporters’ preference for yelling at clouds vs. kicking in cash, and (3) those same supporters’ disenchantment over Ws and Ls, egged on by talking heads and ink-stained wretches – looking at you, Finebaum and Goodman.

One of the jobs with fewer constraints comes open, and he takes it. We lose half the team or more to the portal AND Courtney Morgan AND start all over with a new coach, GM, and staff.

What do you think the following several seasons look like after that?

Frustrating though it may be, and for a lot of reasons, I think we need to stay the course.

What do you think and why?
 
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Forgotten Circumstances
We tend to forget that Saban’s last three teams weren’t up to his own earlier standard. And they were steadily deteriorating year to year to year, especially on both sides of the LOS. If not for Bryce Young, we’d have lost several more games.

We also forget that DeBoer lost about 40 players from Saban’s last team. That includes QB Julian Sayin and DB Caleb Downs, both of whom went to tOSU and were All-Americans. Downs was college football’s defensive player of the year. Think we might not have lost to Vandy or a couple of others with those guys on the field?

******

No kidding... We had a ceiling with Milroe. Last year we had tons of injuries and we couldn't run the ball. This coming year we replace the QB and have a very youngish team.

That being said, we have dynamic players. If we can untrack the offensive line and have a competent running game that routinely plows for 150 yards we should be able to pass the 10 win mark and possibly do some nice things. I'm still not convinced we have the RBs for this, but time will tell.

And I definitely agree that DeBoer has managed things about as well as anyone could. We don't have a better coach walking through that door, and we don't have the NIL money that other teams have spent either. But we can keep on his path, building a good core squad, and be ready to pounce. Some of those other schools are overspending and will be finding the pockets aren't being emptied anymore if they don't have immediate success.
 
I agree with all you said, Mr Basket Case. But it just hard to gauge teams in the current environment of NIL and heavy Portal activity. I can't help but feel like this season hinges on the offensive line. There's a lot of talent around the offensive line. But they'll need help in the trenches. Those running backs may be better than we think, with a strong OL. I do think we'll have better TE blocking. I'm ready for kick-off.
 
Ok. Time for a negative post. I fully admit I was highly excited to bring in KD, but after two seasons of head scratching losses to lesser talented teams, I’m highly disappointed. We can make excuses, of course, but he has not proven to be close to an elite coach at Bama. Obviously, I’m praying that he justifies the faith the administration has put in him in terms of the big bucks. But if he were to leave Id not shed a tear, in fact I was kind of hoping he’d go to Michigan and solve the buyout problem.

And no, it’s not my job as a lifelong Tide fan to find a better replacement….its Byrne’s.

Bottom line….I have no idea if KD is the right guy. Hoping he proves he is.
 
Ok. Time for a negative post. I fully admit I was highly excited to bring in KD, but after two seasons of head scratching losses to lesser talented teams, I’m highly disappointed. We can make excuses, of course, but he has not proven to be close to an elite coach at Bama. Obviously, I’m praying that he justifies the faith the administration has put in him in terms of the big bucks. But if he were to leave Id not shed a tear, in fact I was kind of hoping he’d go to Michigan and solve the buyout problem.

And no, it’s not my job as a lifelong Tide fan to find a better replacement….its Byrne’s.

Bottom line….I have no idea if KD is the right guy. Hoping he proves he is.

Hard Agree.

To think he isn’t ’The Guy’ or even that he might not be ‘The Guy’ is not an invalid perspective just because there isn’t an absolute tangible known replacement.

The 1st 2 seasons have been underwhelming and disappointing and littered with multiple bad decisions and gaffs and bad results.

Shula wasn’t ‘The Guy’ in 2003-06 either but he is who we were stuck with and had to make do with until a better option became available.

This year is probably the make or break season wrt to definitely knowing if CKD can get it done.

I’ll give him a ton of credit for at least trying to address a lot of issues this off-season.

Hopefully it does work and he pans out because that would be more optimal than not panning out.
 
Hard Agree.

To think he isn’t ’The Guy’ or even that he might not be ‘The Guy’ is not an invalid perspective just because there isn’t an absolute tangible known replacement.

The 1st 2 seasons have been underwhelming and disappointing and littered with multiple bad decisions and gaffs and bad results.

Shula wasn’t ‘The Guy’ in 2003-06 either but he is who we were stuck with and had to make do with until a better option became available.

This year is probably the make or break season wrt to definitely knowing if CKD can get it done.

I’ll give him a ton of credit for at least trying to address a lot of issues this off-season.

Hopefully it does work and he pans out because that would be more optimal than not panning out.
Define “The Guy”.

Even “The Guy”’s production slipped his last few years , and without the alpha dogs he had, that left when he did, his last few years could’ve been even worse than DeBoer’s. Does Alabama win the South Florida game without those guys?

I guess it’s just maddening to me that the DeBoer detractors gloss over Saban’s last few years, but break out the scanning electron microscope for DeBoer.
 
Define “The Guy”.

Even “The Guy”’s production slipped his last few years , and without the alpha dogs he had, that left when he did, his last few years could’ve been even worse than DeBoer’s. Does Alabama win the South Florida game without those guys?

I guess it’s just maddening to me that the DeBoer detractors gloss over Saban’s last few years, but break out the scanning electron microscope for DeBoer.

Final 3 years post 2020 NC

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36-6 with 2 SEC Championships 2 CFBP appearances, 1 Semi, and 1 NCG

I’ve agreed many times that some cracks were showing near the end as well as some production drop off in some unit positions but despite that the end results were what 99% of Schools would kill for in that 3 year period.

I’ve had this back and forth many times and respectfully I’m not going to do it again.
 
Final 3 years post 2020 NC

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36-6 with 2 SEC Championships 2 CFBP appearances, 1 Semi, and 1 NCG

I’ve agreed many times that some cracks were showing near the end as well as some production drop off in some unit positions but despite that the end results were what 99% of Schools would kill for in that 3 year period.

I’ve had this back and forth many times and respectfully I’m not going to do it again.
I asked for a definition of “The Guy”, because it seems like all of you criticizing DeBoer want Saban’s success out of him, never considering the seismic shift under his feet that literally ran Saban out of the college game.
 
I appreciate the write up.

Only thing I'd add: CKD's biggest issue since CKD showed up in T-town is his name is not CNS (and, he doesn't have a temper like CNS).

I watched some similar attitudes after the death of CPB. At least now the good ole boy network isn't in charge like in those days.

Agree about "cracks argument:" Although many diagree, "the cracks" argument is legit and you are right that without Bryce it would have been far worse. And there's also the undeniable fact CNS won several games during that time with his "coaching chops" that he rarely had to use his first 10 years or so. He was always a better recruiter than coach, but he was also pretty good at coaching!

And the fact we had to endure 2.5 years of Jalen Milroe speaks also to the fact that CNS didn't always get everybody he wanted! He wanted Drake Maye (and had him committed, but couldn't sign him) but with Maye things would have changed alot too assuming he would have waited behind Bryce.

Also, agree with the "Downs" argument: With him alone, he's the difference in several of those close losses.
 
I agree with EVERYTHING 4Q said in the original post!😎

The ONLY concern that I have is in our Roster Retainment Strategy. If its true that we are signing players to multi-year contracts, do they contain early departure penalties?

I could see us investing a LOT of money into these guys developing them to then just get lured away after they become what we thought they would become. I don't want us to be the development program from which others would cherry-pick from... :rolleyes:
 
Forgotten Circumstances
We tend to forget that Saban’s last three teams weren’t up to his own earlier standard. And they were steadily deteriorating year to year to year, especially on both sides of the LOS. If not for Bryce Young, we’d have lost several more games.

We also forget that DeBoer lost about 40 players from Saban’s last team. That includes QB Julian Sayin and DB Caleb Downs, both of whom went to tOSU and were All-Americans. Downs was college football’s defensive player of the year. Think we might not have lost to Vandy or a couple of others with those guys on the field?

******

No kidding... We had a ceiling with Milroe. Last year we had tons of injuries and we couldn't run the ball. This coming year we replace the QB and have a very youngish team.

That being said, we have dynamic players. If we can untrack the offensive line and have a competent running game that routinely plows for 150 yards we should be able to pass the 10 win mark and possibly do some nice things. I'm still not convinced we have the RBs for this, but time will tell.

And I definitely agree that DeBoer has managed things about as well as anyone could. We don't have a better coach walking through that door, and we don't have the NIL money that other teams have spent either. But we can keep on his path, building a good core squad, and be ready to pounce. Some of those other schools are overspending and will be finding the pockets aren't being emptied anymore if they don't have immediate success.
I agree that we have to be able to run the ball. Last year was flat-out embarrassing. I saw the issue as primarily with the OL, with RBs not helping out much. You see the opposite.

Regardless of where the problem(s?) lie, we can't have a repeat. I can't believe I'm writing this, but being just mediocre would be a big step forward.

The bad news is twofold. First, we have an entirely rebuilt OL and a new coach. Second, it just takes a while for an OL to come together. I fully expect the running attack in the first few games to look a lot like last year -- and along with that all manner of wailing and gnashing of teeth.

The good news is also twofold: First, last year's OL was so bad that having a new coach and only one starter returning isn't necessarily a bad thing. Second, the schedule sets up nicely for the OL to jell before Georgia comes to town on October 10.
 
I agree that we have to be able to run the ball. Last year was flat-out embarrassing. I saw the issue as primarily with the OL, with RBs not helping out much. You see the opposite.

Regardless of where the problem(s?) lie, we can't have a repeat. I can't believe I'm writing this, but being just mediocre would be a big step forward.

The bad news is that we have an entirely rebuilt OL and a new coach. The good news is twofold: First, last year's OL was so bad that having only one starter returning isn't necessarily a bad thing. Second, the schedule sets up nicely for the OL to jell before Georgia comes to town on October 10.

Fwiw I’m somewhat optimistic that the OL and running game will both improve.

They literally HAVE to or we will be in big big trouble.

But at least on paper it seems like we picked up some Solid to Good OL across the board and the new OL coach does have a history of putting together some productive Run games.

I guess the counterpoint would be that the success was in the old PAC-12 but still there was success.

But the better our running game and pass protection is the more chance we’ll have to get KR settled in as opposed to getting killed behind last years line.
 
I agree with EVERYTHING 4Q said in the original post!😎

The ONLY concern that I have is in our Roster Retainment Strategy. If its true that we are signing players to multi-year contracts, do they contain early departure penalties?

I could see us investing a LOT of money into these guys developing them to then just get lured away after they become what we thought they would become. I don't want us to be the development program from which others would cherry-pick from... :rolleyes:
It’s up in the air for sure. This staff has let solid players go who they felt weren’t worth the investment they wanted. The thought is this staff is keeping reserves of NIL to keep these guys here that they want to stay.

Hate to be a star watcher on this one, but that strategy only pays dividends if the recruiting is spot on. Stars aren’t an exact science, but it’s gotten better, and replacing a three star who developed into a high four with a three star who didn’t develop could be disastrous to a program trying to punch up with the elite NILs of the landscape.
 
3 Things I need to see for improvements relative to the run game to get started in 2026.
The oline coming together to block in the run game.
Improved yards per carry.
More consistency stopping the run by the defense.
 
Hate to be a star watcher on this one, but that strategy only pays dividends if the recruiting is spot on. Stars aren’t an exact science, but it’s gotten better, and replacing a three star who developed into a high four with a three star who didn’t develop could be disastrous to a program trying to punch up with the elite NILs of the landscape.
One other thing to add into this: in most all things perception becomes the reality. It is clear with player retention and some of these portal pickups, our recruiting numbers will be in the 15-17 range likely. And it will be focused on a handful of 4-5 stars with a whole bunch of “developmental” three stars.

My concern is the perception. For the past 20 years this program has one of the consensus top 3 (if not #1) recruiting programs. Suddenly, all the explanations notwithstanding, when we fall into the 25-50 range, the narrative suddenly becomes “what happened to Bama?”. And you can bet there are plenty out there that we use the “Bama is a program in decline” against us. Let it happen a couple years in a row and the noise becomes louder.

Once again, I understand what the goal is. There is even word that Kirby and UGA are attempting a similar “retention focused” strategy. But this isn’t without its inherent risk.
 
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I agree that we have to be able to run the ball. Last year was flat-out embarrassing. I saw the issue as primarily with the OL, with RBs not helping out much. You see the opposite.

Regardless of where the problem(s?) lie, we can't have a repeat. I can't believe I'm writing this, but being just mediocre would be a big step forward.

The bad news is twofold. First, we have an entirely rebuilt OL and a new coach. Second, it just takes a while for an OL to come together. I fully expect the running attack in the first few games to look a lot like last year -- and along with that all manner of wailing and gnashing of teeth.

The good news is also twofold: First, last year's OL was so bad that having a new coach and only one starter returning isn't necessarily a bad thing. Second, the schedule sets up nicely for the OL to jell before Georgia comes to town on October 10.
Yeah, as a group the OL position takes far more meshing and syncing than any other position group. If just one guy misses his assignment, in most cases the play is busted. It takes time to find the combination that works most efficiently.

Hopefully we get this worked out and functioning smoothly before the jawja game... 😎
 
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