Politics: 2020 Dem POTUS candidate catch all discussion thread

[RollTide_HTTR]

I think the problem with Pete is that his experience is limited so its more important for him to be clear and specific about his ideas than someone with a long voting record.

Unless you're following him pretty closely you might not know where he stands on a lot of issues. And his site lacks written explanations at this point. I hope/think that will change this weekend though.

 

[92tide]

Y but I'd vote for a patch of grass caked with defecation over Trump.

with two dogs, i will have a ready made campaign sign if this ends up being the case.

 

[Bazza]

Could be a moot point whether a gay person could get elected.

I could be wrong, but I think if Biden runs, no other candidate will be able to touch him (no pun intended).

 

[GrayTide]

To add, I think his problem is going to be the blue collar heartland, which Trump co-opted. They went into the voting booth, pulled the figurative curtain, and voted their prejudices. The anti-gay sentiment is still widespread, just like racial prejudice is, just hidden more, not PC to show...

I absolutely agree with this, right or wrong. I also believe, while he speaks to and for the new generation, he is not seasoned enough to be a serious candidate at 37. If Buttigeig gains political experience in a higer profile, elected office he would be a viable candidate in the next 6-8 years. Not sure of the exact percentage but I would imagine that somewhere between 50%-60% of voting Americans fall in the center, to either just left or just right of center. These voters would likely not support Trump or Bernie. I said in another thread that my biggest fear is that Sanders' supporters will sit at home and not get out to vote for the Democrat candidate whomever it might be.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Could be a moot point whether a gay person could get elected.

I could be wrong, but I think if Biden runs, no other candidate will be able to touch him (no pun intended).

Maybe in a general election. I have a hard time believing he's going to win this primary. Or get that close. But hey, I thought the same thing about Trump

 

[92tide]

Maybe in a general election. I have a hard time believing he's going to win this primary. Or get that close. But hey, I thought the same thing about Trump

my guess is that biden will do what he has done the previous times he ran for president, spectacularly implode.

 

[jthomas666]

But dangit, it's nice to hear someone speak clearly and intelligently at this point.

Yeah, that alone will take him far.

Will be interesting to see how he fares in the debates.

 

[Crimson1967]

my guess is that biden will do what he has done the previous times he ran for president, spectacularly implode.

He hasn't already? His joke about getting permission from that guy he put his arm around showed me doesn't really get why putting hands on women makes them uncomfortable.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I think the problem with Pete is that his experience is limited so its more important for him to be clear and specific about his ideas than someone with a long voting record.

To be fair, neither of the last two elected presidents had any political experience to speak of.

I'm not certain that matters as much to younger voters, who I believe will be out in droves in 2020.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Will be interesting to see how he fares in the debates.

The way I've seen him answer questions tells me that if he shows up prepared, he'll destroy anyone on the stage with him. Again, I've only seen a bit of him speaking, but he comes across as very intelligent and cogent when answering questions on the fly.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

The way I've seen him answer questions tells me that if he shows up prepared, he'll destroy anyone on the stage with him. Again, I've only seen a bit of him speaking, but he comes across as very intelligent and cogent when answering questions on the fly.

I think he'll standout in the crowded debates. I am curious to see how he does in a smaller debate when he might get some push back from other candidates.

To be fair, neither of the last two elected presidents had any political experience to speak of.

I'm not certain that matters as much to younger voters, who I believe will be out in droves in 2020.

Yea, I agree. But I think that's why he is getting criticism for being vague/not having an issues page by media and certain voters. If he had a longer track record I don't think it would be as big of a deal.

 

[92tide]

He hasn't already? His joke about getting permission from that guy he put his arm around showed me doesn't really get why putting hands on women makes them uncomfortable.

he seems to be the favorite of the totally not a trump supporter trump supporter crowd.

 

[GrayTide]

I of course have my favorite for the Dem nomination, but regardless of the outcome I pray that the Dems will unite behind the eventual candidate and come up with a strategy to oust that scumbag.

 

[Crimson1967]

I of course have my favorite for the Dem nomination, but regardless of the outcome I pray that the Dems will unite behind the eventual candidate and come up with a strategy to oust that scumbag.

Who is your favorite, if you don’t mind me asking.


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[rgw]

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ROLL DANG WEIMAR REPUBLIC


It is like we want to make sure that the next Trump is just a reimagining of Hitler.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

This isn't just a Democratic thing, but I think it's quite relevant to what's being said about Biden here.

This country "likes" so-called "fresh faces," and that alone gives one of the lesser knowns hope.


Look at the TV age.....and tell me........how often does the SUBSTANTIALLY more experienced candidate win?


2016 Trump over HRC
2008 Obama over McCain
2000 Bush over Gore
1992 Clinton over Bush 41
1988 Bush 41 over Dukakis
1980 Reagan over Carter
1976 Carter over Ford
1968 Nixon/Humphrey (a wash - a former VP and the current VP)
1964 LBJ over Goldwater
1960 JFK over Nixon

2012 had two qualified candidates running.
2004 had an incumbent and a Senator of 19 years.
1996 had an incumbent and a Senator of 28 years who had been a VP nominee and party leader.
1984 had an incumbent a former VP who had been a Senator for years
1972 had an incumbent and a Congresscritter with a decade in the Senate

We don't REALLY elect "experience" in this country no matter how often people want to pretend otherwise.


We have a "desire" for the fresh face we haven't seen. This is also what I think is going to torch Bernie this go around. In 2016, he was (take your pick) the fresh face nobody had heard of, the alternative to Hillary, the guy who would stand up for the little guy, whatever.

He's now the guy who's not "really" a Democrat (and never was) trying to run as a Democrat.

The "fresh face" is part of what launched Howard Dean into stardom 15 years ago. Whether you liked him or not - and trust me, I didn't care for the man at all - he was fresh, enthusiastic, vibrant, and confident. Kerry won - irony of ironies - because he was supposedly the most electable. There's a whole lot of that going on with Biden right now.

If he's not forced to resign, I expect Rump to get re-elected at this point (good economy, not at war).

This brings me no joy to say. But don't trust early polls - my good friend President Dewey warned me about them.

 

[rgw]

I was pretty confident in 8 years of Trump after seeing how the DNP responded to the loss in 2017 and how their media instruments wasted a lot of rallying energy on Russiagate which hinged totally on the GOP controlled executive branch administrators crucifying their GOP president.

The Democrats are either hapless losers or they truly only exist as a way to bottle up or retard progressive left movements as some sort of quasi-henchman for the American right-wing.

 

[CharminTide]

 

[Bazza]

-snip-
We don't REALLY elect "experience" in this country no matter how often people want to pretend otherwise.


We have a "desire" for the fresh face we haven't seen. -snip-

Yes......that's looking at the big picture!

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Yes......that's looking at the big picture!

It's just a reality I've become accustomed to seeing.


I mean here's the big one....how do you take a policy wonk like Al Gore and run him under the greatest peacetime economy anyone ever knew combined with no real trouble spots for the USA........and basically get a TIE? (Even if folks want to argue the details of who won - how did Gore not smash him 54-46? And for those who don't recall, Bush had a Palin-esque interview early on where he didn't know the names of pretty much anyone who was ruling any nation outside of Europe).

The truth is that the electorate as a whole is not as ideological as the parties are, and they don't put near the stock in identity politics or tribalism as the politicians do. We get quality people in both parties crucified for some "wrong" vote (per the activists) that they cast 20 years ago or more.

The basic truth is - we like to start all over again.