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Add TE Danny Lewis to the list
Not seeing his name listed anywhere yet. Hunter Osborne was added based off a report from Rodney Orr.

Lewis would surprise me because everyone on the depth chart above him (other than Cuevas, who is better at H than Y) is graduating.

EDIT: Nevermind, his name just went up.
 
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Not seeing his name listed anywhere yet. Hunter Osborne was added based off a report from Rodney Orr.

Lewis would surprise me because everyone on the depth chart above him (other than Cuevas, who is better at H than Y) is graduating.

EDIT: Nevermind, his name just went up.
Lewis and Law heading out has me somewhat concerned.
 

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I think it's going to prove to be somewhat of a problem for the teams ranked around 9-12 in the playoffs going forward; it's very possible to make a team completely non-competitive if enough players leave at a certain position. Let's say James Burnip wanted to transfer after the season (he can't, obviously, but let's just say for the sake of argument). That leaves you going into the playoffs with Nick Serpa and Anderson Green at punter, neither of whom has ever kicked in a game. The problem gets even worse if Brailsford or Ryan Williams or Jihaad Campbell decided to transfer.

I think teams are going to have to be flexible or an entire season could go down the drain in an instant. If Bama lost 20-30 guys to the portal at once, we're not a playoff team anymore, IMO.



They really won't, not the way they used to. It's going to be a year-to-year thing and you'll see wider swings in teams' records going forward. You're just going to have to hope it clicks on a year-to-year basis.
We're all Ole Miss now, unfortunately.
 

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I think our backs and receivers are more than sufficient. The problem has been lack of distribution.
Also, new blocking scheme and O-line not gelling as well as we need. Plus, DeBoer's run game depends on a lot of finesse. I wonder if he will change now that he's playing with the Big Boys every week and is at a place where he can recruit mashers? I remember our lack of success under Curry against physical teams.
 
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I hate it, but you’re right.

CBA is the quickest, simplest solution.

The battle is that, at the elite level, individual players have all the power— they neither need nor want a union. Versus the other 80% - 90% who would benefit.

Who wins — a few players who control a bunch of money, or a bunch of players who control less money?

I don’t know. But it does make for an interesting debate.

The other possibility on which I’ve heard some rumblings from folks far more knowledgeable than me is that the IRS will get a bit more focused.

As I’m told, the relationship between the universities, the collectives, direct payments to players, who pays whose salaries, where the money from their fund-raising efforts go, etc. could affect the universities’ ability to issue tax-exempt bonds. Which would be a monumental problem.

As much as I hate the IRS, it could end up providing what we need— uniform and universal enforceability across all 50 states that will stand up in court.
Not sure what different changes the IRS would make; they are paying taxes now on NIL money.
 

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Not sure what different changes the IRS would make; they are paying taxes now on NIL money.
Has to do with the schools no longer being able to issue tax-exempt bonds.

I don’t fully understand it, but that’s what smarter people than me are bandying about.

Regardless, if it were to happen, it would be massive.
 
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Lewis and Law heading out has me somewhat concerned.
Not that worried about Law. Two different staffs tried to get him involved in the offense and couldn't. And for everything he gave you physically in the blocking game, there were routes that weren't sharp enough, penalties, etc.

With Lewis, I'm not sure whether that's a case of a guy chasing a check, or if there's something we don't know going on where he was encouraged to leave, or it could be that we're rethinking the tight end spot. Lewis and Dippre were both different body types than the other tight ends on the roster; the others are somewhat smaller, quicker guys, or are more of a fullback-TE hybrid.

With Lewis leaving, we're either going to get a tight end out of the portal, or we're going to look a little different at that spot next year than we did this year.
 
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I just can't believe the hate for Jalen Milroe here. He literally won us last years SEC Championship Game and took us to 1 College Playoff game.

He scored 20 rushing TD's and 15 passing TD's this year.

He will be a NFL 1st round draft choice and he has shown total loyalty to his alma-mater.

There was even a Jalen Milroe appreciation thread earlier this year.

Looks like I am the only Milroe fan on this board.

Let the HATERS hate.
I don't want to hijack this thread, but this has been covered TOO MANY times and it has become a societal issue too. Just because you disagree or disapprove of someone doesn't equal "hate."

To keep this "topic" on the football board I'll just say there are plenty of guys on this board who have repeatedly listed the reasons why JM has cost us big games (and "little" ones...which there is no such thing until they keep you out of the playoffs).

He's a nice, smart, well spoken young man who simply struggles to do basic QB things that translate into his team winning consistently. Yeah, when you get "good Milroe" we might beat anybody. When you get bad Milroe we can't beat an OU team that was lifeless all year long!

But the point is it's not about hate it is about recognizing he's had perpetual weaknesses that kept us from being a great football team two years in a row now. Yeah, we won the SEC last year and he contributed but not nearly as much as the lifeless OL we had last year (and this year) who seemed to wake up for one game and put it together.

He can run like a deer, but a QB's main job is to understand the offense (we didn't run CKD's offense this year - see comment about Penix below) and to distribute the football to the skill players all over the field. And those 20 rushing TDs? How many of those came at the expense of our running backs? There's a reason many people say JM is a running back rather than a QB. Stats seem to back that up.

We've had two years of tape on JM and he CAN NOT do basic QB things at a high level. Many problems from fundamentals (footwork/throwing mechanics), field vision, slow trigger/decision making, failure to go thru professions, inaccuracy, touch, and others I'm sure I'm missing have been discussed ad nauseam.

It's not hate. It's just that he struggles to do what 99.9% of the population would struggle to do which doesn't allows them to be a high level QB. But most of us don't call ourselves QBs because we can't do those things.

I wish JM nothing but the best. I hope he can follow Jalen Hurt's path to overcome some of these weaknesses and play in the NFL. NFL execs pay guys with JM's weakness millions of dollars every year in the draft hoping to find a diamond in the rough.

But for us and CKD, it's time to have a QB in CKD's system that can run it the way Coach envisions it. Last year Penix threw for almost 5000 yards. Jalen barely threw for half of that.
 
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Not that worried about Law. Two different staffs tried to get him involved in the offense and couldn't. And for everything he gave you physically in the blocking game, there were routes that weren't sharp enough, penalties, etc.

With Lewis, I'm not sure whether that's a case of a guy chasing a check, or if there's something we don't know going on where he was encouraged to leave, or it could be that we're rethinking the tight end spot. Lewis and Dippre were both different body types than the other tight ends on the roster; the others are somewhat smaller, quicker guys, or are more of a fullback-TE hybrid.

With Lewis leaving, we're either going to get a tight end out of the portal, or we're going to look a little different at that spot next year than we did this year.
Law was a internet legend. When someone compared his to Debo Samual (because of body type) it was probably a good comparison but Law never measured up.

I'm probably wrong about his but it seems like I could count the number of receptions he had this year on my two hands. It seems he had incredible potential but we never saw the production.

Odds are CKD can find an upgrade who already had the production last year we thought we'd get from Law this year.
 
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Law was a internet legend. When someone compared his to Debo Samual (because of body type) it was probably a good comparison but Law never measured up.

I'm probably wrong about his but it seems like I could count the number of receptions he had this year on my two hands. It seems he had incredible potential but we never saw the production.

Odds are CKD can find an upgrade who already had the production last year we thought we'd get from Law this year.
Not that worried about Law. Two different staffs tried to get him involved in the offense and couldn't. And for everything he gave you physically in the blocking game, there were routes that weren't sharp enough, penalties, etc.

With Lewis, I'm not sure whether that's a case of a guy chasing a check, or if there's something we don't know going on where he was encouraged to leave, or it could be that we're rethinking the tight end spot. Lewis and Dippre were both different body types than the other tight ends on the roster; the others are somewhat smaller, quicker guys, or are more of a fullback-TE hybrid.

With Lewis leaving, we're either going to get a tight end out of the portal, or we're going to look a little different at that spot next year than we did this year.
Two staffs, same QB who struggles to execute the type of route where we'd expect Law to thrive, the short and intermediate game where he can take a shorter pass and make much more out of it.

We really can't judge any WRs from 23 or 24 on production, because of the QB issues. We are almost bottom 20% in all of FBS on pass attempts where UW was top 10 in 23, so we know the staff doesn't trust the pass game execution. We were only marginally better last year.
 

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So far, we haven't lost much in actual production. As others have noted, perhaps Law and Prentice would have produced more with a different QB
 

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Law was a internet legend. When someone compared his to Debo Samual (because of body type) it was probably a good comparison but Law never measured up.

I'm probably wrong about his but it seems like I could count the number of receptions he had this year on my two hands. It seems he had incredible potential but we never saw the production.

Odds are CKD can find an upgrade who already had the production last year we thought we'd get from Law this year.
Young threw to him. Milroe didn’t.
 
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So….my question is this. Hurley and Prentice have announced that they intend to enter the portal and transfer. Are they or are they not eligible to play in any upcoming playoff or bowl game? If this has been answered elsewhere, my apologies. Can’t keep up!
As far as I understand, anyone entering the portal can still practice and participate if the team is cool with it. Like hurley

Some may already be gone. Like mcvay kuht and oatis

I think its case by case
 

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As far as I understand, anyone entering the portal can still practice and participate if the team is cool with it. Like hurley

Some may already be gone. Like mcvay kuht and oatis

I think its case by case
If I'm CKD no way I'm allowing players who no longer want to be with the program to take valuable reps from those who are staying.
 

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Texas, Michigan, Tennessee, and Oklahoma were all because of Milroe’s inability to play the QB position correctly.
I posted this a few weeks ago in a postgame thread but it's relevant to your point....

Speaking of Elite here's an interesting tidbit I saw elsewhere..

Jalen Milroe vs Top 10 Defenses (FEI) the last 2 seasons

2023 - #1 Michigan, #6 Texas
2024 - #4 Georgia, #5 Tennessee, #7 South Carolina, #10 Oklahoma

Totals
109/177 (61.6%)
1,357 yards (7.7 YPA)
6 TD / 10 INT

Average Game
18/29 (61%)
226 yards (7.7 YPA)
1 TD / 2 INT

Team Record 2-4


I tried to find his lost fumbles stats too because I know he's had a ton.

But anyway he just absolutely melted down against the toughest defenses he faced.
 

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Two staffs, same QB who struggles to execute the type of route where we'd expect Law to thrive, the short and intermediate game where he can take a shorter pass and make much more out of it.

We really can't judge any WRs from 23 or 24 on production, because of the QB issues. We are almost bottom 20% in all of FBS on pass attempts where UW was top 10 in 23, so we know the staff doesn't trust the pass game execution. We were only marginally better last year.
Well, the problem with that logic is that Milroe had no trouble finding Germie Bernard or Ryan Williams. Also, Bernard's stats dramatically improved with Milroe as his QB -- almost twice as much production with only 7 additional touches.

Law had several drops but the big issue is despite his physicality he couldn't get separation. consistently. I think a good analog for what he should have been able to accomplish was how Washington used Bernard last year at UW. Switchblade-type guy who could frustrate defenses off jet-action in addition to helping the running and screen games with his blocking (which, in that case, he did pretty well). The production just wasn't there (8 carries for 30 yards, 3.8 avg., 21 of those yards on one play ... 10 catches for 105 yards). When you add in the penalties on ST you have to wonder whether you can depend on a guy like that.
 

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Well, the problem with that logic is that Milroe had no trouble finding Germie Bernard or Ryan Williams. Also, Bernard's stats dramatically improved with Milroe as his QB -- almost twice as much production with only 7 additional touches.

Law had several drops but the big issue is despite his physicality he couldn't get separation. consistently. I think a good analog for what he should have been able to accomplish was how Washington used Bernard last year at UW. Switchblade-type guy who could frustrate defenses off jet-action in addition to helping the running and screen games with his blocking (which, in that case, he did pretty well). The production just wasn't there (8 carries for 30 yards, 3.8 avg., 21 of those yards on one play ... 10 catches for 105 yards). When you add in the penalties on ST you have to wonder whether you can depend on a guy like that.
The other way to view those stats are that JM relied on the long passing game (twice as many yards with just a few more catches for Bernard) as that's where he does have a strength and where plays take longer to develop. That's what Bernard evolved to and what Ryan Williams appears to naturally excel at.

Where JM is not very good is the quick passing game where timing, being in sync, having faster processing time and a quick release are critical. that's the type of passing game that guys like Law are most productive in.
 
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