Aaron Murry on Milroe (USF) (video)

[Slowpoke Catracho]

The next football game I coach will the first football game I ever coached, but there was part of me saying Saturday night saying “Sit JM for a series or two. If nothing more than to settle him down while also sending a message”.

There are two sides to that coin and of course two philosophical ways to deal with inconsistency. Being a basketball coach, sometimes I have to deal with a shooter that's going cold during a game. Some coaches would sit them down for a while, yet there are others that would just keep feeding them the ball until they get the rhythm and into the flow of the game. I'm of the opinion that you keep feeding them the ball. Both can be effective, but you have to know how your player is going to respond.

 

[BamaMoon]

DeBoer is the coach....he's a successful coach...he knows absolutely what he's doing. We here at TideFans that disagree with certain things know very little compared to the coaching staff....we know that.

Saban and DeBoer in 23 and 24 have said Milroe is the best option at QB. Ok, great.

Doesn't mean we still can't see that Milroe's throwing mechanics are not good at all.
Doesn't mean we still can't see that most of his throws are not on time, he's late....a lot.
Doesn't mean we still can't see that he looked lost for a good portion of the USF game.
Or that his decision making on where to throw aren't great.
Or that he can't hit crossers and slants.
Or that he doesn't make presnap reads to make line adjustments or dump a pass over a blitzer.

I also wonder how NIL has spun things concerning coaching decisions and whomst plays vs whomst doesn't.

I make no money in football....DeBoer makes more money in a year than I'll ever see in my life.

The fact opinions are stated and the "coach knows what he's doing" statement even comes up seems antithetical to me on a fan site where we come together to voice opinions and talk with each other.

But hey....what do I know....I'm just a guy typing on keyboard.

Again, I'll ask, what if they see what we see too? I think it's almost impossible they don't because of their qualifications.

So it comes back to two questions I mentioned in a post yesterday:

1. Is there another/better alternative?

2. Will a change be too disruptive?

 

[Cruloc]

Again, I'll ask, what if they see what we see too? I think it's almost impossible they don't because of their qualifications.

So it comes back to two questions I mentioned in a post yesterday:

1. Is there another/better alternative?

2. Will a change be too disruptive?

1. Maybe, don't know. I know we've got a better QB room situation than a lot of the SEC.

2. I think this one might be closer to the bullseye. But that's speculation.

 

[mlh]

Again, I'll ask, what if they see what we see too? I think it's almost impossible they don't because of their qualifications.

So it comes back to two questions I mentioned in a post yesterday:

1. Is there another/better alternative?

2. Will a change be too disruptive?

I don't think there's any doubt that they see what we see, and probably a lot more. They're working with these guys every day on the practice field. They're working with them every day watching film and discussing strategies and schemes and whatnot. Of course they see what we see.

So, apparently, they do not feel currently that there is a better alternative. Now, that may change over time as everyone becomes more familiar with CKD's offense. JM may continue to improve and continue to be the best alternative. Or TS or DL may improve enough for the coaches to feel like they are the better alternative. But I don't think a change will be too disruptive if that is the course the coaches take. The players want to win. The players want to have the best opportunity to show what they can do and get to the next level.

I just keep reminding myself that we are only 2 games into CKD's 1st season. I expect to see things change as the season progresses. I expect to see the offense evolve and become more consistent as the guys learn the nuances of his schemes. It's hard to be patient sometimes, but that's the position I'm taking. In the meantime, just keep winning.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Again, I'll ask, what if they see what we see too? I think it's almost impossible they don't because of their qualifications.

So it comes back to two questions I mentioned in a post yesterday:

1. Is there another/better alternative?

2. Will a change be too disruptive?

Two things I think could be in play.

1. In the eyes of the coaching staff, Simpson wouldn't be a better option. As mentioned before, we've now had two different coaching staffs who've forgotten more football than we know evaluate these quarterbacks and both have felt Milroe was the better option. They see them in practice, all of the scrimmages, and know them personally (how they're wired) better than any of us.

2. We're still winning. As long as the team is winning they could believe it would do more harm than good to pull the starting quarterback. As long as we're winning the things Milroe is doing wrong can still be worked on.

Both of these things are possibilities. It is very hard to justify pulling a starting quarterback when the team is winning, regardless of how the wins occur. In retrospect, if we would have somehow pulled that game out last year against Texas and the reason wouldn't have been because of anything Milroe did, I don't think he's benched the following week. But the loss plus his performance in the game gave the staff enough to justify the move.

 

[colbysullivan]

Again, I'll ask, what if they see what we see too? I think it's almost impossible they don't because of their qualifications.

So it comes back to two questions I mentioned in a post yesterday:

1. Is there another/better alternative?

2. Will a change be too disruptive?

Well, we saw what happened when Saban played another QB last year.

 

[mlh]

Well, we saw what happened when Saban played another QB last year.

Yes, we did. But I think there's a totally different dynamic this year with the new coaching staff and the attitude of the team. I could be wrong, but I think if a change is made, CKD will do it in such a way it does not cause disruption or division.

 

[CB4]

There are two sides to that coin and of course two philosophical ways to deal with inconsistency. Being a basketball coach, sometimes I have to deal with a shooter that's going cold during a game. Some coaches would sit them down for a while, yet there are others that would just keep feeding them the ball until they get the rhythm and into the flow of the game. I'm of the opinion that you keep feeding them the ball. Both can be effective, but you have to know how your player is going to respond.

Don’t disagree. I coached a lot of baseball over the years. It’s a tough decision when a pitcher is struggling with location or a hitter is slumping at the plate. Opportunities to succeed also come packaged the chance to fail as well. You always have to weigh decisions such as that with how the player will handle it versus the team dynamic.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

IDK. Booker is the unquestioned leader of the OL, and has been the most outspoken for a few years now. He also had mysterious back spasms before the USF game last year. However, I don’t really want to rehash it. I have made my opinion perfectly clear on what happened in that game.

Booker wasn't playing his regular G position.

 

[colbysullivan]

Booker wasn't playing his regular G position.

Talking about the 2023 game

 

[Cruloc]

Talking about the 2023 game

Ah yes....the mysterious back spasms that....if I'm not mistaken....never came back.

 

[BamaMoon]

Well, we saw what happened when Saban played another QB last year.

Yes, we did. But I think there's a totally different dynamic this year with the new coaching staff and the attitude of the team. I could be wrong, but I think if a change is made, CKD will do it in such a way it does not cause disruption or division.

Yes, I think 2024's dynamic is different too.

I personally think CKD's record of success and reputation as a QB coach gives him a lot of collateral to make some changes if he sees fit.

As of now, I respect that he doesn't think a change is warranted. The way we play and the results of the next two games will reveal a lot more info about this, however!

 

[mlh]

Yes, I think 2024's dynamic is different too.

I personally think CKD's record of success and reputation as a QB coach gives him a lot of collateral to make some changes if he sees fit.

As of now, I respect that he doesn't think a change is warranted. The way we play and the results of the next two games will reveal a lot more info about this, however!

At the start of the season, I said we would know who QB1 is/will be after the UGA game. If JM struggles and another QB comes in and plays well, he will win the starting job. If JM struggles and they don't play another QB, that tells us where we are with our backups. And, of course, if JM plays well against UGA, that will solidify his position as QB1.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Yes, I think 2024's dynamic is different too.

I personally think CKD's record of success and reputation as a QB coach gives him a lot of collateral to make some changes if he sees fit.

As of now, I respect that he doesn't think a change is warranted. The way we play and the results of the next two games will reveal a lot more info about this, however!

This ^^^

If anyone listened to Nick Sheridan's press conference he was asked about the "one" area he wanted to see Milroe improve the most. Without hesitation Sheridan said "Getting the ball out" and the implied tone was "on time". Though he didn't say "on time", you could tell it was obviously implied.

IMO, these next two games and their outcomes will go a long way in the direction we move forward with the QB position. I think if we win both Milroe will not have to play perfect or have cleaned up all of his flaws to keep the QB1 status. But if we lose one or both of those games and if part of the reason is because he's still doing the same things we saw last year and through the first two games this season, that will be when we could see a move at the QB. Even if it is a two QB where they both play.

 

[jthomas666]

The WR's not getting a lot of consistent separation. (which isn't great vs USF)

Hard to get separation when the db is holding on to your jersey.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Hard to get separation when the db is holding on to your jersey.

It was terribly blatant, guys going to have to work on the swim move or something.

 

[Tidewater]

There are two sides to that coin and of course two philosophical ways to deal with inconsistency. Being a basketball coach, sometimes I have to deal with a shooter that's going cold during a game. Some coaches would sit them down for a while, yet there are others that would just keep feeding them the ball until they get the rhythm and into the flow of the game. I'm of the opinion that you keep feeding them the ball. Both can be effective, but you have to know how your player is going to respond.

Some of that is a coach being an amateur psychologist. Bench a player when he is struggling and he may collapse mentally, especially a young man. While sitting on the bench he may be thinking, "I've lost the starting job permanently. Where should I transfer to? Which coach will be able to recognize and use my skill set? I wonder what the girls at Gainesville look like."

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Hard to get separation when the db is holding on to your jersey.

Speaking of holding, I saw a very interesting take on holding by Bill Belichick this weekend on "Inside the NFL". He was asked if he would ride the officials if he saw holding by the other team that wasn't called.

He said (and I'm paraphrasing) :
"No, because it's our job as a defense to not let the offense hold. Because we know they're going to try to hold on every play and the majority of them won't be called. We can't wait for it to be called. We have to use our hands to keep them from holding. It's the same with our wr's, we can't wait for the officials to call a hold. We teach our receivers to use their hands to keep the db's from holding."

I thought that was an interesting take by BB, that he put the onus on his players to not allow the other team to hold because they were going to hold on just about every play and they didn't have time to wait until the officials decided to call it.

 

[BamaMoon]

As good as Ryan Williams already is, he's just a 17 year old kid that weighs 165 lbs soaking wet who should be playing HS ball in South Alabama this year.

He's gonna get stronger and more savvy and will be able to push away some of the hand-checking and he'll learn to sell it better to the refs when he's being held.

I bet they are already coaching him up on this!

 

[dayhiker]

Do people nitpick yall at your work to the extreme, obsessive way some of you do Milroe? There is discussion and then there is piling on.