Adam Griffith

Anytime you kick from 45+ yards out, there is little margin for error. The snap, the hold, timing, everything has to be executed flawlessly.

I've watched some of the holds and they've been off a little at times. AJ McCarron was an excellent holder. The kicker gets far too much blame for misses considering any of the other factors you mentioned can be off.
 
I am not a kicker,But i bet you meet the ball pretty much on the same spot every time,shoulders,hips leg follows, I know some of you golf I don't but i bet it comes from hip,slegs,shoulders only in golf you grab a different club for the circumstances.


You're waaay wrong - on both kicking and golf.

In addition, even if - in kicking - you did always attempt to hit the same "spot" on the ball with your foot using the same speed and tempo, you can't control how the ball is presented to you, e.g. whether the "spot" you need to hit according to the angle of approach is in the middle of the seams, on a seam, or even on the laces.

If you put a football on a kicking machine, rotating the ball plus or minus 10 degrees at the point of impact can change the trajectory of the ball by 5 or 10 yards.

Besides, the biggest factor with the wind for kickers is probably most often - just like in golf - a mental factor. Whether the wind actually, physically affects the flight of the ball after it is kicked doesn't change the fact that the kicker has had to adjust their approach to the kick due to the potential of having the kick affected by the wind. It's like the golfer who steps up onto the tee and - having just uncorked four almost-perfect drives off of the last four tees - is now thinking about not letting the wind cause him to slice it into the woods to his right or not hooking the ball into the giant lake to his left, promptly slicing the ball straight into the middle of the woods or hooking it straight into the middle of the lake.
 
To me yesterday shows that we are playing a lot of inexperienced players at a lot of positions even if they are upperclassmen.
Upperclassmen? Alabama is ranked third in terms of the most freshman and sophomores on the two deep. This is one of the most inexperienced teams in college football.

Anyway, as to Griffith, people need to remember that those kicks were kicks Alabama didn't even let Shelley kick. I've expressed my concern about the kicking game, and I wasn't surprised. There's not a whole lot of kids that can reliably kick from that distance.
 
On the positive side, Griffith came back and made his 3rd kick after missing the first two. He was able to mentally right himself to some degree on that one. He reminds of of Leigh Tiffin as a freshman. Missed some kicks but always seemed to bounce back. Time will tell with Griffith, but that's who he reminds me of at this point.
 
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Upperclassmen? Alabama is ranked third in terms of the most freshman and sophomores on the two deep. This is one of the most inexperienced teams in college football.

Anyway, as to Griffith, people need to remember that those kicks were kicks Alabama didn't even let Shelley kick. I've expressed my concern about the kicking game, and I wasn't surprised. There's not a whole lot of kids that can reliably kick from that distance.
I recognize that. Coupled with the inexperience of youth we have a 5th yr senior QB, we have a senior RG with his first starting experience. Except for Landon Collins most every other secondary player doesn't have a significant amount of starting experience including Nick Perry, Jarrick Williams, and Jabriel Washington. Inexperience is not isolated to younger players. Couple that with injuries we have had it puts this loss in a little more perspective for me.

Jess questioned our development of these players a lot who are 3rd year guys in the program. I really think the years we were without Kirby coaching DBs has really set us back from a development standpoint. The Brown hire was a colossal failure. I'm not really sure what we got out of Pruitt while he was back there. Having Bo back coaching the DL is going to help. I don't think anyone has ever regarded LT as outstanding LB coach. I think we really see just how valuable Pendry was for us. Stoutland seemed like coach of technique but we certainly didn't bring in quality talent on the OL while he was here.

I think Coach saw where we were headed with Nuss at OC plus all these other developments and decided to make a change. I think this rebuilding job is going to go a little deeper than we thought.
 
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Hi high school kicks that you may have seen were using a tee whereas the ball is placed on the ground in college.

I could be wrong but I don't think he used a tee. It is optional at the h.s. level and most kickers that are recruited wont use one.

Also on the opening kickoff yesterday whoever was holding (I think it was Ch. Jones) let it kick right before he kicked it. I was so disgusted I deleted it off my DVR and didn't go back and watch it to see if it affected the kick or not.
 
I recognize that. Coupled with the inexperience of youth we have a 5th yr senior QB, we have a senior RG with his first starting experience. Except for Landon Collins most every other secondary player doesn't have a significant amount of starting experience including Nick Perry, Jarrick Williams, and Jabriel Washington. Inexperience is not isolated to younger players. Couple that with injuries we have had it puts this loss in a little more perspective for me.
I've been harping on that for a while. It's not natural or normal for a team to play at a high level constantly. I mean sure, you can reel off ten win seasons if you're really on a roll, but if you want to win championships, there almost inevitably has to be an ebb and flow. You end up with a point in which you are throwing inexperienced kids out there to the wolves, than a season or two later, they're prepared to play for a championship. It's how a team like Auburn can make such a rapid turnaround.

Someone complained that Ole Miss had basically the same guys as last year (like 9 returning starters on defense) and basically said Alabama should have beaten them as badly. Well, the issue they were overlooking is that Alabama doesn't have the same guys as last year. So yeah, I think we're in general agreement. The Alabama team is experienced, and especially in defense, virtually anyone who is a starter is going to leave early (even Vinny, who probably could have settled that secondary down a bit), creating perpetual inexperience.

The bright side of that was that if Alabama could survive further into the season, they had a chance to improve as the season went on. However, something like 11 ranked teams lost. Another week like that and Alabama will have their chance to get better than the team that played Ole Miss and be back in contention.
 
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I've been harping on that for a while. It's not natural or normal for a team to play at a high level constantly. I mean sure, you can reel off ten win seasons if you're really on a roll, but if you want to win championships, there almost inevitably has to be an ebb and flow. You end up with a point in which you are throwing inexperienced kids out there to the wolves, than a season or two later, they're prepared to play for a championship. It's how a team like Auburn can make such a rapid turnaround.

Someone complained that Ole Miss had basically the same guys as last year (like 9 returning starters on defense) and basically said Alabama should have beaten them as badly. Well, the issue they were overlooking is that Alabama doesn't have the same guys as last year. So yeah, I think we're in general agreement. The Alabama team is experienced, and especially in defense, virtually anyone who is a starter is going to leave early (even Vinny, who probably could have settled that secondary down a bit), creating perpetual inexperience.

The bright side of that was that if Alabama could survive further into the season, they had a chance to improve as the season went on. However, something like 11 ranked teams lost. Another week like that and Alabama will have their chance to get better than the team that played Ole Miss and be back in contention.

Put the nail in it.
 
The first was just a miss. It happens. He kicked it straight and true, he was just aimed wrong. The second one was over fifty yards. Looked like he was trying to kick it really hard and ended up shanking it. Like Texas said, if you've ever played golf, you understand how that can happen.

Not directed at you Boston, but I hate when someone says the kind of miss AG had on the second attempt was "shanked."

Actually a right handed golfer or kicker can't shank a ball that is "hooking" to the left. A shank is when the ball is kicked too far from the inside, or in golf the ball hits the hosel and typically goes violently right of the target. The first miss was a slight shank, to use that term. It was probably more of a "push." What AG did on the bad miss is actually smoother the ball like a golfer "duck hooks" a drive. The ball is struck so that it starts left and goes left.
 
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