Ah, Florida - words fail me II

[Bamaro]

Florida surgeon general says state will eliminate all vaccine mandates
Florida surgeon general says state will eliminate all vaccine mandates

 

[92tide]

these anti vaxxers are morons.

 

[Huckleberry]

these anti vaxxers are morons.

Murderers. Some are stupid and some are simply evil, but every single one of them deliberately enables illness and death.

 

[Bazza]

As I understand this - the vaccines will still be available and recommended by family physicians and public health authorities.

They are just not going to force them on anyone.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer. But I never took any covid vaccines. And never contracted covid.

I think people should be allowed to take it if they want - but not be forced to take it.

 

[Bamaro]

As I understand this - the vaccines will still be available and recommended by family physicians and public health authorities.

They are just not going to force them on anyone.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer. But I never took any covid vaccines. And never contracted covid.

I think people should be allowed to take it if they want - but not be forced to take it.

People should not be selfish and should do what is best for society. Since they dont sometimes it should be mandated

 

[Bazza]

People should not be selfish and should do what is best for society. Since they don't sometimes it should be mandated

Kinda like letting the National Guard come into your city to reduce violent crimes?

 

[Huckleberry]

As I understand this - the vaccines will still be available and recommended by family physicians and public health authorities.

They are just not going to force them on anyone.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer. But I never took any covid vaccines. And never contracted covid.

I think people should be allowed to take it if they want - but not be forced to take it.

"Not forcing" sounds good until you realize what it really means: opening the door for measles, polio, and whooping cough to make a comeback. Your personal COVID story isn’t the same as these diseases— they spread faster and hit kids harder. Vaccine mandates keep classrooms and communities safe. Without them, outbreaks are just a matter of time. Many children will get sick and some will die entirely preventable deaths.

This is not a Second Amendment issue where arguments can be raised about the effectiveness of law and public policy regarding deaths. Over the past 70 years, vaccines have saved untold numbers of American lives. They’ve also spared millions of children from paralysis, brain damage, deafness, and other permanent disabilities. It's hard to fathom why anyone would advocate risking a return to even a semblance of the pre-vaccine days.

 

[92tide]

"Not forcing" sounds good until you realize what it really means: opening the door for measles, polio, and whooping cough to make a comeback. Your personal COVID story isn’t the same as these diseases— they spread faster and hit kids harder. Vaccine mandates keep classrooms and communities safe. Without them, outbreaks are just a matter of time. Many children will get sick and some will die entirely preventable deaths.

This is not a Second Amendment issue where arguments can be raised about the effectiveness of law and public policy regarding deaths. Over the past 70 years, vaccines have saved untold numbers of American lives. They’ve also spared millions of children from paralysis, brain damage, deafness, and other permanent disabilities. It's hard to fathom why anyone would advocate risking a return to even a semblance of the pre-vaccine days.

the fact that this is even in question at this point is complete lunacy.

 

[Bazza]

"Not forcing" sounds good until you realize what it really means: opening the door for measles, polio, and whooping cough to make a comeback. Your personal COVID story isn’t the same as these diseases— they spread faster and hit kids harder. Vaccine mandates keep classrooms and communities safe. Without them, outbreaks are just a matter of time. Many children will get sick and some will die entirely preventable deaths.

This is not a Second Amendment issue where arguments can be raised about the effectiveness of law and public policy regarding deaths. Over the past 70 years, vaccines have saved untold numbers of American lives. They’ve also spared millions of children from paralysis, brain damage, deafness, and other permanent disabilities. It's hard to fathom why anyone would advocate risking a return to even a semblance of the pre-vaccine days.

Again - the vaccines will still be available for people to take.

No one is taking them away.

This argument reminds me of people calling other people anti-immigration. When they are really against illegal immigration.

Taking mandates away is not the same as removing the vaccines.

You can still take whatever vaccines you want.

And we still like immigration.

 

[Huckleberry]

Again - the vaccines will still be available for people to take.

No one is taking them away.

This argument reminds me of people calling other people anti-immigration. When they are really against illegal immigration.

Taking mandates away is not the same as removing the vaccines.

You can still take whatever vaccines you want.

And we still like immigration.

No one claimed vaccines were being banned. The issue is that without mandates, coverage drops and outbreaks rise. That’s not "freedom"— that’s gambling with the health and lives of others.

When children aren’t vaccinated, the most vulnerable — infants, the elderly, pregnant women, and the immunocompromised — pay the highest price. Mandates are designed to shield those populations, not just the kids who get the shot. Herd immunity matters for public health and the common good.

 

[Bazza]

No one claimed vaccines were being banned. The issue is that without mandates, coverage drops and outbreaks rise. That’s not "freedom"— that’s gambling with the health and lives of others.

When children aren’t vaccinated, the most vulnerable — infants, the elderly, pregnant women, and the immunocompromised — pay the highest price. Mandates are designed to shield those populations, not just the kids who get the shot. Herd immunity matters for public health and the common good.

Mandatory is not the right approach.

People just do not like the government forcing something into their body.

It's not much different than people not liking the government to involve themselves in abortion.

In both situations an argument could be made about "saving lives". In both cases people want the government to stay out of their body.

In my opinion.....the problem is no one is doing much of a good job at sales. I mentioned this on this forum years ago that if you want people to get jabbed......reward them for it. Money, green stamps, credits off their student loans, whatever.

In addition - how about giving us something more than "We know this is something you should do. Because it's science!"



Is that what the salesman tells you when you go in to buy a car?

Now - go look at some of the Big Pharma commercials on TV. Personally - I hate them. But at least they are trying to mount some kind of sales campaign for their product.

Forcing something like this? Nah - do better. Convince people they need it. Give them an incentive. So far I haven't seen it.....

 

[Bazza]

Herd immunity. As in Marshall football?

 

[jthomas666]

Again - the vaccines will still be available for people to take.

No one is taking them away.

This argument reminds me of people calling other people anti-immigration. When they are really against illegal immigration.

Taking mandates away is not the same as removing the vaccines.

You can still take whatever vaccines you want.

And we still like immigration.

Are you going to allow unvaxxed kids to attend public schools? Congratulations, you're at risk for your very own super spreader event.

 

[Bazza]

Are you going to allow unvaxxed kids to attend public schools? Congratulations, you're at risk for your very own super spreader event.

I don't have any kids. But if I did I would get them vaccinated - but first would do more research. I may not get them vaccinated for everything - don't really know.

What kind of research have you done for your children that you have had vaccinated?

Do you just accept what your doctor tells you?

FWIW, every year a large % of my county property tax dollars goes into the public school system. I have never really complained about it because I think it is for the greater good.

I am not against the greater good concept. I understand it very well.

I just think there's a better way to do this than forcing people into it.

I could be wrong - it's just my opinion, jthomas.....

 

[Huckleberry]

Mandatory is not the right approach.

People just do not like the government forcing something into their body.

It's not much different than people not liking the government to involve themselves in abortion.

In both situations an argument could be made about "saving lives". In both cases people want the government to stay out of their body.

In my opinion.....the problem is no one is doing much of a good job at sales. I mentioned this on this forum years ago that if you want people to get jabbed......reward them for it. Money, green stamps, credits off their student loans, whatever.

In addition - how about giving us something more than "We know this is something you should do. Because it's science!"



Is that what the salesman tells you when you go in to buy a car?

Now - go look at some of the Big Pharma commercials on TV. Personally - I hate them. But at least they are trying to mount some kind of sales campaign for their product.

Forcing something like this? Nah - do better. Convince people they need it. Give them an incentive. So far I haven't seen it.....

There's no need for some "argument to be made" about vaccines saving lives. It's incontrovertible fact. When the decades of unquestionable data and scientific proof regarding the efficacy and societal benefit of vaccines aren't enough, the inevitable conclusion is that the truth doesn't matter. If saving the lives of children (and many, many others) isn't enough of a reason for some folks, that speaks pretty loudly about their priorities as well as their concern for their fellow countrymen. Bribe/reward these people of little conscience and even less moral character? No thanks.

 

[Bazza]

There's no need for some "argument to be made" about vaccines saving lives. It's incontrovertible fact. When the decades of unquestionable data and scientific proof regarding the efficacy and societal benefit of vaccines aren't enough, the inevitable conclusion is that the truth doesn't matter. If saving the lives of children (and many, many others) isn't enough of a reason for some folks, that speaks pretty loudly about their priorities as well as their concern for their fellow countrymen. Bribe/reward these people of little conscience and even less moral character? No thanks.

No different then than sending the National Guard in to cities to save lives.

There's no need for some "argument to be made" about saving lives. It's incontrovertible fact.

Yet we see opposition........and that speaks pretty loudly about their priorities as well as their concern for their fellow countrymen.

 

[jthomas666]

I don't have any kids. But if I did I would get them vaccinated - but first would do more research. I may not get them vaccinated for everything - don't really know.

What kind of research have you done for your children that you have had vaccinated?

Do you just accept what your doctor tells you?

FWIW, every year a large % of my county property tax dollars goes into the public school system. I have never really complained about it because I think it is for the greater good.

I am not against the greater good concept. I understand it very well.

I just think there's a better way to do this than forcing people into it.

I could be wrong - it's just my opinion, jthomas.....

We got the vaccines required by the state and recommended by our pediatrician. If I don't trust my pediatrician on vaccines, I wouldn't be trusting her to treat my children.

I get the some people believe it should be a personal choice. But again, should people who refuse to take part in the social compact be allowed to enjouy the fruits of that compact?

 

[JDCrimson]

Paying taxes ought to be optional too.

Mandatory is not the right approach.

People just do not like the government forcing something into their body.

It's not much different than people not liking the government to involve themselves in abortion.

In both situations an argument could be made about "saving lives". In both cases people want the government to stay out of their body.

In my opinion.....the problem is no one is doing much of a good job at sales. I mentioned this on this forum years ago that if you want people to get jabbed......reward them for it. Money, green stamps, credits off their student loans, whatever.

In addition - how about giving us something more than "We know this is something you should do. Because it's science!"



Is that what the salesman tells you when you go in to buy a car?

Now - go look at some of the Big Pharma commercials on TV. Personally - I hate them. But at least they are trying to mount some kind of sales campaign for their product.

Forcing something like this? Nah - do better. Convince people they need it. Give them an incentive. So far I haven't seen it.....

 

[Bazza]

We got the vaccines required by the state and recommended by our pediatrician. If I don't trust my pediatrician on vaccines, I wouldn't be trusting her to treat my children.

I get the some people believe it should be a personal choice. But again, should people who refuse to take part in the social compact be allowed to enjouy the fruits of that compact?

Thanks jthomas......good answer!

 

[Huckleberry]

I don't have any kids. But if I did I would get them vaccinated - but first would do more research. I may not get them vaccinated for everything - don't really know.

What kind of research have you done for your children that you have had vaccinated?

Do you just accept what your doctor tells you?

FWIW, every year a large % of my county property tax dollars goes into the public school system. I have never really complained about it because I think it is for the greater good.

I am not against the greater good concept. I understand it very well.

I just think there's a better way to do this than forcing people into it.

I could be wrong - it's just my opinion, jthomas.....

I'm not jthomas, but I'd like to respond.

Please know that I appreciate the message here. The "greater good" matters to us, but it doesn't to an increasing number of people - people who have shown a propensity to disbelieve anything that goes against their contrived mindset. They can't be reasoned with, something which I think you've recognized in suggesting they be directly financially rewarded for simply doing what's right.

Is research a good thing? Certainly, but too many people choose to believe their comfortable echo chamber rather than the words of experts. If my doctor tells me to do something regarding my health (or that of someone I love), you can bet I'm going to take her advice seriously. If I have questions, I'll ask, but I'll go with her recommendation a thousand times over some internet science denier, loony conspiracy theorist, or narcissistic political opportunist.

Childhood vaccinations are proven safe, effective, and of great importance for the health and benefit of our society. There is simply no reason (other than rare medical conditions) not to have children receive the vaccines mandated in every state. Any "research" to the contrary should be dismissed out of hand. Don't want the covid vaccine? Fine. It's a different situation now than four or five years ago. Don't want to vaccinate your kids against well-known deadly and easily communicable viruses? Then they can't attend public school. Not because their rights (or those of a parent) don't matter, but because, in this case, the benefit to society matters more.