Alabama QB competition article

[B1GTide]

Coach Saban wanted to see improvement in Jalen's down field throwing and the only way you do it is let him do it in games. Daboll tried to run plays that would improve that but it never materialized. If Daboll would have done the same as Kiffin he would not have been following orders or help Jalen's development.

But at some point you have to recognize limitations and focus on winning.

 

[BamaMoon]

The new QB recruit played at the same high school as the #1 TE in the nation for the 2019 class. This could be something other than backup if someone transfers.

Or, we added some depth at at position of need and it won't hurt to have a friendly face in the fold next year to help recruit the TE.

I doubt this kid sees PT at Bama with the talent in front of him (and I figure he's willing to come knowing that) but, FWIW, his tape shows he sees the field and, even without a cannon, he has good zip and can disperse the ball. Kinda reminds me of a Greg McElroy prototype.

 

[BamaMoon]

But at some point you have to recognize limitations and focus on winning.

I know it's been debated, but if Tua is not sitting there with his skills, I don't know if Jalen gets pushed so much toward doing the uncomfortable things he was asked to do last year.

JMO, but I think CNS wanted to go away from Kiffin ball and that's why he hired Daboll and he was going to allow Jalen to see if he could be a drop back guy. With Tua having already proven he was capable, Jalen had to prove he wasn't a running qb. I think the record will show he never developed into what he came to Bama to be: a drop back passer.

 

[KrAzY3]

JMO, but I think CNS wanted to go away from Kiffin ball and that's why he hired Daboll and he was going to allow Jalen to see if he could be a drop back guy.

That part I'm not so sure on. He had Sark, and Sark's offense wasn't going to be all that different from Kiffin's from what I understand. Word was he was good at working with mobile QBs, so it seemed like a good fit. Daboll always seemed like an emergency hire, it was late, everyone had a job, Saban grabbed someone he thought he could trust. I doubt Saban realized how uncomfortable Daboll would be with some elements of what Alabama wanted to do on offense, I don't think you deliberately bring in someone with the idea that someone else has to help him draw up plays.

I think there's general agreement though that the desire was to see Hurts become more developed as a pro passer (and he still has three years to try to do that someplace), but I don't think the desire was to pair him with a guy that basically couldn't do anything else.

 

[teamplayer]

What shaky moments?

The UGA interception? The UT interception?

Come on.

Come on? I'm not sure that I am clear on your point. Are you saying those two examples that you mentioned were not shaky moments? How about the fourth down TD pass to who? Yes, it was a TD, but that is not a throw that would work most of the time. We are all glad it did and happy with the result, but a coach like Coach Saban isn't only focused on the end result. He likes the safer throw when possible. That's all I'm saying. How about taking the sack on 1st down before throwing the winning TD? Can I call that shaky? I simply said he had a few shaky plays, and a coach like Saban likes more sure things, and that may be why he kept playing Jalen when most people thought Tua should be playing more. That's all I'm saying, so I'm not sure why some seem to take this discussion so personally. I keep trying to stay out of it, but then I think I have a point that I can make without it causing a fuss, and then I'm proven wrong. Anyway, y'all have a great long weekend.

 

[KrAzY3]

Anyway, I think the writing is kind of on the wall with the addition of Layne Hatcher. He's there for emergency depth, Alabama used a scholarship and signing slot on him apparently, even though they didn't really want to (trying to get him to walk-on originally). I doubt they do that if they think Hurts was staying.

 

[Crimson White]

Saban... likes the safer throw when possible. .

I'm pretty sure he also likes the offense to sustain more drives than we've had the last 2 years vs good defenses. I don't know, but I bet we have had more 3 and outs the last 2 years than any other 2 year term in his tenure at Alabama.

 

[teamplayer]

I'm pretty sure he also likes the offense to sustain more drives than we've had the last 2 years vs good defenses. I don't know, but I bet we have had more 3 and outs the last 2 years than any other 2 year term in his tenure at Alabama.

I agree, and that cost us one title and has caused a lot of frustration despite our overall success.

 

[Evil Crimson Dragon]

The new QB recruit played at the same high school as the #1 TE in the nation for the 2019 class. This could be something other than backup if someone transfers.

Extra recruiter............

As for QBs, doesn't Bama have a walk on in Jay Barker's son as well?

 

[TiderJack]

]That part I'm not so sure on. He had Sark, and Sark's offense wasn't going to be all that different from Kiffin's from what I understand. Word was he was good at working with mobile QBs, so it seemed like a good fit.[/B] Daboll always seemed like an emergency hire, it was late, everyone had a job, Saban grabbed someone he thought he could trust. I doubt Saban realized how uncomfortable Daboll would be with some elements of what Alabama wanted to do on offense, I don't think you deliberately bring in someone with the idea that someone else has to help him draw up plays.

I think there's general agreement though that the desire was to see Hurts become more developed as a pro passer (and he still has three years to try to do that someplace), but I don't think the desire was to pair him with a guy that basically couldn't do anything else.

I disagree on this point. I think Saban was happy to see Sark go especially after the one game he called. He knows with his "old" style he can dominate with a downhill run game, play action passing and a dominant D especially when just about everybody else never sees this style play in today's college football. I am very happy to be back to the old style.

 

[teamplayer]

Extra recruiter............

As for QBs, doesn't Bama have a walk on in Jay Barker's son as well?

I had forgotten about that. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[rgw]

I mean there have been stories about how Saban wanted Daboll to stay for one more season but we never heard the same thing about Sark.

 

[RTR91]

I disagree on this point. I think Saban was happy to see Sark go especially after the one game he called. He knows with his "old" style he can dominate with a downhill run game, play action passing and a dominant D especially when just about everybody else never sees this style play in today's college football. I am very happy to be back to the old style.

Who says we’re going back to that? Saban took issue anytime last year when a reporter insinuated it in a question. Locks is a RPO guy. Not like Saban brought Mac back.


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[BamaInBham]

Who says we’re going back to that? Saban took issue anytime last year when a reporter insinuated it in a question. Locks is a RPO guy. Not like Saban brought Mac back.
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Saban stated more than once before 2017 that Bama needed to "get back" to establishing their power running identity. He also hired Dan Enos to work with the QBs. A Mac offense, no, but definitely a more pro style attack than Kiffin's O, requiring a more sophisticated QB.

 

[BAMAfan777]

There will be a QB rotation for a while.
Saban one of the sharpest cats.
RTR!!!!!

 

[KrAzY3]

I mean there have been stories about how Saban wanted Daboll to stay for one more season but we never heard the same thing about Sark.

Another way to look at it would be despite major character flaws, Saban was still willing to keep Sark around.

Anyway, part of the irony there was despite being a terrible fit for Hurts, Daboll was actually a pretty nice fit for Tua. Locksley was the one that helped incorporate some plays for Hurts.

So, Hurts get Daboll and Tua gets Locksley. Things did seem to end up kind of backwards, heh.

 

[Tide&True]

There will be a QB rotation for a while.
Saban one of the sharpest cats.
RTR!!!!!

While I believe Tua is a more complete quarterback I still believe Hurts will be used to fit the occasion. I just don’t see Hurts sitting on the bench until mop-up duty calls. Strategically it will create nightmares for opposing teams to prepare for both...why wouldn’t you use that to your advantage? There is another bonus...one qb doesn’t take all the hits...and as we know the SEC can be brutal on quarterbacks after a long season.


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[drwho]

There will be a QB rotation for a while.
Saban one of the sharpest cats.
RTR!!!!!

A rotation is a recipe for disaster. A few specific packages designed for Jalen . . . that would work.

 

[drwho]

While I believe Tua is a more complete quarterback I still believe Hurts will be used to fit the occasion. I just don’t see Hurts sitting on the bench until mop-up duty calls. Strategically it will create nightmares for opposing teams to prepare for both...why wouldn’t you use that to your advantage?

A throwing QB needs more reps, and once he's in a rhythm, it's foolish to change QBs for change's sake.

 

[drwho]

Anyway, part of the irony there was despite being a terrible fit for Hurts, Daboll was actually a pretty nice fit for Tua. Locksley was the one that helped incorporate some plays for Hurts.
So, Hurts get Daboll and Tua gets Locksley. Things did seem to end up kind of backwards, heh.

Agreed. But, the biggest problem is that college wasn't a fit for Daboll, he's gone, and now we have Locksley. I do feel better with Enos on board, though. Nothing against Locksley per se, but it would have been nice to have continuity at the OC spot.