Alabama QBs in 2024

[81usaf92]

Can you expand on this? At some point, the real game results have to trump whatever happens in practice, right?

so Instead of practice we are going to base everything off scrub duty and a game in which we all want to forget about?

Is Ty probably better at the quarterback position than Milroe? Yes but I think how much better is being way over exaggerated.

 

[davefrat]

He tried to give the #2 or #3 a shot and the OL went on Strike so he caved to keep the team from falling apart.

Hindsight being 20/20 with him hanging it up I wish he had benched them all and played with the guys who would give 100% Effort regardless of who the QB was.

I don't think anyone would have wanted Saban to ride into the sunset after a 6-6 season in which the players are about to riot in the locker room.

 

[davefrat]

I think it was a flaw in Sabans practice routine wrt the QB's because if a real game is so different than practice that the coaches don't see the glaringly obvious flaws of some of our QB's, then they're not practicing right. I know it's impossible to replicate game environments in practice, but you have to make constant efforts to get close. Buchner was horribly unprepared and if that couldn't be seen in practice then shame on the staff.

Buchner looked so bad that it seemed like he'd just started playing football.

 

[AlexanderFan]

I think it was a flaw in Sabans practice routine wrt the QB's because if a real game is so different than practice that the coaches don't see the glaringly obvious flaws of some of our QB's, then they're not practicing right. I know it's impossible to replicate game environments in practice, but you have to make constant efforts to get close. Buchner was horribly unprepared and if that couldn't be seen in practice then shame on the staff.

I think it was the “practice until you can’t get it wrong” part. Jalen, and others, just revert to what’s comfortable. Also with GT’s stopwatch you can see Jalen was slow even in practice.

 

[JDCrimson]

Agree and Saban didnt either. I was hearing during fall camp this would be Saban's last year. It was already decided within the family. He let the players choose who they wanted as QB because this was the backdrop...

I don't think anyone would have wanted Saban to ride into the sunset after a 6-6 season in which the players are about to riot in the locker room.

 

[davefrat]

Agree and Saban didnt either. I was hearing during fall camp this would be Saban's last year. It was already decided within the family. He let the players choose who they wanted as QB because this was the backdrop...

From the way some people act, you'd think we did go 6-6 last year and Saban retired because he got a concussion and a fractured hip while breaking up a fight in the locker room.

 

[colbysullivan]

so Instead of practice we are going to base everything off scrub duty and a game in which we all want to forget about?

Is Ty probably better at the quarterback position than Milroe? Yes but I think how much better is being way over exaggerated.

Fair enough. We’ll have to disagree I guess.

 

[BamaMoon]

so Instead of practice we are going to base everything off scrub duty and a game in which we all want to forget about?

Is Ty probably better at the quarterback position than Milroe? Yes but I think how much better is being way over exaggerated.

Well never know, but I would like to know how it might have gone to have a QB who could actually throw the passes that CNS affectionately referred to as "the Bama offense."

Those receivers had more talent than previously thought. And the OL got better and might have got significantly better if they had a QB who had a TT of less that 3+ seconds.

 

[CB4]

My thoughts are JM are pretty simple. I think he grew up as a kid that was more talented athletically than others. And much of that led to him playing QB. He was successful all the way through high school because of that factor. It didn’t matter if he had flaws fundamentally or had issues with defensive reads. He still was talented enough to overcome all that.

The emphasis on winning overrode the notion of development most likely all the way through high school. There wasn’t a need to “fix” him because you could win with him just as he was. That isn’t the case at major D-1 college football. At some point the talent levels out and execution makes the difference.

There is an adage of “As the twig is bent, so will grow the tree”. At this point I am not certain how much improvement JM can make. When under pressure, players revert to what is “comfortable”. And those comfort habits are ingrained at an early age. The question to be answered is, with a year under his belt as a starter, a new HC, OC, and offensive system, and additional work with a QB coach, can Milroe be disciplined enough to execute those “learnings” under fire? We are not talking about just incremental improvement. We are talking about some pretty significant steps.

I guess that is the reason off season threads like this exist.

 

[gtgilbert]

so

In practice… Buchner and Lonergan looked the best out of all of them. Ty was #3.

The REC viewing in the fall had some very revealing moments. The fact that 90% of the snaps that day were from the pocket makes it even worse since Milroe was a pocket passer for the entire season. But anyways Milroe started out that day with some ungodly numbers like 2-16 and Buchner came in and was like 10-15 with 2 TDs (I forget the exact numbers but it was very close to those).

But the moment that most stood out to me is a moment I couldn’t share because it would’ve been player bashing. But since this kid left I think it’s fair game. But after Buchner threw his 2 TD he was leading a two minute drill and threw two perfect balls but the receiver was just half jogging or else it would have been a TD. Saban stopped practice and totally went off on this kid and the kid wasn’t even really paying him no attention. Then he sent him to locker room because he wasn’t receiving what he was saying. Keep in mind everyone is close enough to hear the conversation and there isn’t crowd noise. That player was Ja Corey Brooks. People wondered why all year why he wasn’t playing and this was a huge reason why. But more importantly it was a look into what this team really was. There weren’t leaders who were policing themselves and there a bunch of “Me” and “I’m not playing with him” players. The fact we won a championship with that team is more because 95% of the time we were just more talented than everyone and sometimes just lucky.

As far as Ty… I honestly don’t know why everyone was convinced last year that he was the guy. I always thought Lonergan look the best out of all of them in practice. Ty was just a better passer overall than Milroe but made different boneheaded mistakes that just made you question what the heck we were doing.

to net it out, JM was likely no better than the 4th best QB on the roster, but because some players were selfish, the rest had to suffer.

if true, like others have said in hindsight I wish Saban had told every one of those guys that if they wouldn't play for the TEAM, they would not be on the team, and that he would decline to talk to any NFL teams on their behalf because of that attitude. Surely many would have come around since that's the type of thing that can take a guy from 1st round to 3rd round in a hurry.

As for Ty, I think many looked at him as the best option because that's the most visible sample set of plays we have and was the one most often taking reps side by side with Milroe so the comparisons were easier to make on the speed of getting the ball out etc. I wish we had a better sample for Lonergan as you aren't the only one who's mentioned that he looked the best of the four.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

It just seems to me that we are trying really hard to create a narrative that fits a specific conclusion.

Ty was behind Buchner because he was maybe a little uncoachable or a little immature or Saban doesn't know how to run practices but Ty was behind Milroe because those darn players forced Saban's hand.

It just doesn't make sense. Often the simplest explanation is the correct one. Saban played the guy he thought would help him win the most games. And sure the team liking Milroe maybe played a tie breaker role or something but there are again probably reasons the team liked Milroe more.

Let's at the very least see if Ty even wins the job and plays well this year with a completely different staff before we make great proclamations without any real evidence.

 

[davefrat]

It just seems to me that we are trying really hard to create a narrative that fits a specific conclusion.

Ty was behind Buchner because he was maybe a little uncoachable or a little immature or Saban doesn't know how to run practices but Ty was behind Milroe because those darn players forced Saban's hand.

It just doesn't make sense. Often the simplest explanation is the correct one. Saban played the guy he thought would help him win the most games. And sure the team liking Milroe maybe played a tie breaker role or something but there are again probably reasons the team liked Milroe more.

Let's at the very least see if Ty even wins the job and plays well this year with a completely different staff before we make great proclamations without any real evidence.

I think we can safely dispense with this one.

 

[81usaf92]

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to net it out, JM was likely no better than the 4th best QB on the roster, but because some players were selfish, the rest had to suffer.

if true, like others have said in hindsight I wish Saban had told every one of those guys that if they wouldn't play for the TEAM, they would not be on the team, and that he would decline to talk to any NFL teams on their behalf because of that attitude. Surely many would have come around since that's the type of thing that can take a guy from 1st round to 3rd round in a hurry.

As for Ty, I think many looked at him as the best option because that's the most visible sample set of plays we have and was the one most often taking reps side by side with Milroe so the comparisons were easier to make on the speed of getting the ball out etc. I wish we had a better sample for Lonergan as you aren't the only one who's mentioned that he looked the best of the four.

My response was to practice. Milroe has had some truly horrible scrimmages the past 2 years, but it hasn’t been like Ty has been turning heads at them either. Really I have just as many questions about Ty as I do about Milroe… if not more. His defenders are willing to make just as big leaps in logic about him as the Milroe defenders. I mean how they tell it we have the next Aaron Rodgers on the bench behind the next Denard Robinson. Seriously the Milroe and Ty crowds sound like the old baseball scouts who talk about how good a pop of the bat sounds in the ballpark and how they should pass on a guy because he has an ugly girlfriend.

 

[colbysullivan]

It just seems to me that we are trying really hard to create a narrative that fits a specific conclusion.

Ty was behind Buchner because he was maybe a little uncoachable or a little immature or Saban doesn't know how to run practices but Ty was behind Milroe because those darn players forced Saban's hand.

It just doesn't make sense. Often the simplest explanation is the correct one. Saban played the guy he thought would help him win the most games. And sure the team liking Milroe maybe played a tie breaker role or something but there are again probably reasons the team liked Milroe more.

Let's at the very least see if Ty even wins the job and plays well this year with a completely different staff before we make great proclamations without any real evidence.

Sorry, I'm just not buying that. The eye test in REAL games should show you Ty is a better QB than Milroe. Does Milroe do some things better than Ty? Sure, but Ty is the prototypical Bama QB. If people want to use the "game manager" moniker, then fine, but that type of QB is the ONLY one that has won championships at Bama, except for 2nd and 26, which is of course the exception that proves the rule.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

Sorry, I'm just not buying that. The eye test in REAL games should show you Ty is a better QB than Milroe. Does Milroe do some things better than Ty? Sure, but Ty is the prototypical Bama QB. If people want to use the "game manager" moniker, then fine, but that type of QB is the ONLY one that has won championships at Bama, except for 2nd and 26, which is of course the exception that proves the rule.

So to be clear, you think your eye test from a total of 20 passes that Ty has thrown completing 55% against mostly USF and Chattanooga is 100% correct.

 

[81usaf92]

Sorry, I'm just not buying that. The eye test in REAL games should show you Ty is a better QB than Milroe. Does Milroe do some things better than Ty? Sure, but Ty is the prototypical Bama QB. If people want to use the "game manager" moniker, then fine, but that type of QB is the ONLY one that has won championships at Bama, except for 2nd and 26, which is of course the exception that proves the rule.

So we are basing all of this strictly off of a half vs USF and mop up duty vs directional schools???

 

[colbysullivan]

So to be clear, you think your eye test from a total of 20 passes that Ty has thrown completing 55% against mostly USF and Chattanooga is 100% correct.

You can try to minimize it all you want, but Ty Simpson is a better QB than Milroe. We know Milroe cannot read defenses, is LITERALLY the slowest-delivering QB in the country, and is not an accurate passer. Ty has looked good when he's played.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

And to be clear, while I feel like I have become a Milroe defender, I am not actually a big Milroe guy at all. Based mostly on those who can observe practices I'm kinda hoping Lonergan gets the job.

 

[colbysullivan]

So we are basing all of this strictly off of a half vs USF and mop up duty vs directional schools???

I have watched so much film on Milroe that shows HE is the sole reason the play wasn't successful. I don't know what else to tell you guys. It's honestly like people think I'm making up his shortcomings.

 

[colbysullivan]

And to be clear, while I feel like I have become a Milroe defender, I am not actually a big Milroe guy at all. Based mostly on those who can observe practices I'm kinda hoping Lonergan gets the job.

I'd be totally fine with Lonergan honestly. He looked the best in the spring game last year, and again if the practice reports are true, he's the best QB on the roster. But again, if that's true, how is he not already the starter?