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Maudiemae said:
I have questions. Are any of you teachers? Do any of you KNOW any teachers? Do you know how hard and long they work? Do you know how much of their own money they spend on basic materials? Do you know that it takes forever to get reimbursed and that some of the money is never reimbursed? Do you actually know any low earning, two income families? Do you know any low income single parent families? I'm trying to imagine some of the single parents I know coming home, cooking dinner and then homeschooling children. Wow.
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My wife's a teacher in a Title IX high school.
 
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Crimson1967 said:
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Former Alabama representative convicted on theft charges

Former Alabama state Rep. Will Dismukes has been convicted on first-degree theft of property charges.
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Dismukes became an ordained minister of the Southern Baptist denomination in 2013, and was serving as a youth minister during his first campaign for office. He was elected as pastor of his Southern Baptist church in 2019.[5] He co-hosted a celebration of the life of KKK founder Nathan Bedford Forrest, and resigned as pastor in July 2020, amid the national and local criticism for his appearance at the Forrest event, following a meeting with local Baptist leaders.[13]
 
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i'm starting to see a pattern

Dismukes became an ordained minister of the Southern Baptist denomination in 2013, and was serving as a youth minister during his first campaign for office. He was elected as pastor of his Southern Baptist church in 2019.[5] He co-hosted a celebration of the life of KKK founder Nathan Bedford Forrest, and resigned as pastor in July 2020, amid the national and local criticism for his appearance at the Forrest event, following a meeting with local Baptist leaders.[13]
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That pattern has been there since 1845.
 
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crimsonaudio said:
I am not.

Of course.


Yes.


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It's not for everyone. Heck, I'd argue that despite it having the potential to be the best possible educational situation for most kids, few adults in the US have the discipline to home school their children well. But I do know a few low-income families (and single parents) who home school.

There's zero question being a teacher is a tough job, but it's a completely different job than home schooling. It's akin to comparing a line chef to someone who loves to cook as a hobby - the hobbyest would likely be overwhelmed trying to manage a commercial kitchen, but can possibly prepare better individual meals than the commercial chef.
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I don't know how a single parent of more than one would do that. I really don't. I don't know how a parent who has health problems would do it, either, or parents with a child who has health issues. I don't think it has to do with discipline. The particular people I'm thinking of can't take vacations because they can't afford it. They work hard and are physically and mentally exhausted. I'm just trying to point out that some people are blessed in ways which others are not.
 
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Maudiemae said:
I don't know how a single parent of more than one would do that. I really don't. I don't know how a parent who has health problems would do it, either, or parents with a child who has health issues. I don't think it has to do with discipline. The particular people I'm thinking of can't take vacations because they can't afford it. They work hard and are physically and mentally exhausted. I'm just trying to point out that some people are blessed in ways which others are not.
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Where have I said everyone can or should homeschool? I've simply said that for those who are able and have the discipline, I believe it's the superior choice to any public school.

I'm not really sure what your point is, I guess. No solution to any problem is perfect for everyone.
 
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Where have I said everyone can or should homeschool? I've simply said that for those who are able and have the discipline, I believe it's the superior choice to any public school.

I'm not really sure what your point is, I guess. No solution to any problem is perfect for everyone.
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Each case is different admittedly even though in general I’m more against homeschooling and private education over public.

You also have to remember that historically and generally in the south the typical home school kid came from a household income of less that 30k and the reason(s) for homeschooling was something as basic as vaccination or teaching about something that they didn’t agree with. Since Covid the homeschooling community has gotten more diverse.

My honest opinion… if one of both parents are qualified to teach the subject matter then go for it. I mean I know a pharmacist and a bank teller couple who homeschool their kids and their kids are fine… but I know plenty more trailer trash rednecks and liberals (yes it’s on both spectrums) who took their kids out for vaccinations. And we are not even talking about COVID vaccines. I really don’t think someone who has no clue how to do algebra, writes like a 2nd grader, or doesn’t understand basic social studies is really qualified to teach. My concern is more with the kid than it is for the reason, whereas for private schools I’m more of the opposite.

However I think the bigger issue is homeschooling parents getting a stipend… I’m in total disagreement with that. It was their choice to do that.
 
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Each case is different admittedly even though in general I’m more against homeschooling and private education over public.

You also have to remember that historically and generally in the south the typical home school kid came from a household income of less that 30k and the reason(s) for homeschooling was something as basic as vaccination or teaching about something that they didn’t agree with. Since Covid the homeschooling community has gotten more diverse.

My honest opinion… if one of both parents are qualified to teach the subject matter then go for it. I mean I know a pharmacist and a bank teller couple who homeschool their kids and their kids are fine… but I know plenty more trailer trash rednecks and liberals (yes it’s on both spectrums) who took their kids out for vaccinations. And we are not even talking about COVID vaccines. I really don’t think someone who has no clue how to do algebra, writes like a 2nd grader, or understands basic social studies is really qualified to teach. My concern is more with the kid than it is for the reason, whereas for private schools I’m more of the opposite.

However I think the bigger issue is homeschooling parents getting a stipend… I’m in total disagreement with that. It was their choice to do that.
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Huntsville has an excellent private school, Randolph School. Our two daughters are five years apart in age. The older, we sent to Randolph until the 10th grade, when we transferred her to Huntsville High. By the time she was about to graduate, we had started the younger in Randolph. We asked the older's advice on whether to let the younger finish at Randolph. The older said she wished we had started her at HHS a year older, that making friends would have been easier, because several middle schools feed into HHS, so she would have entered on a level footing, so to speak, with the others. As a result, we switched the younger to Huntsville Middle. I should add that Randolph was very small at that time, especially in the upper grades. Randolph was our choice, even though expensive. At no point did it even cross our minds that we should have any entitlement to financial help. We switched the girls to public schools because we realized they would have to adapt to and live in a wider, more diverse, world upon graduation, and Randolph was very small and, to some degree, "clubby." That same factor bothers me about home schooling. School is about more than just formal "book learning." I know home-schooled kids can develop a social circle. It's just got to be harder. I'm still in touch regularly with people I attended high school with. Those are some of the factors we grappled with in deciding on private over public. Home schooling wasn't even a thing back then...
 
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Huntsville has an excellent private school, Randolph School. Our two daughters are five years apart in age. The older, we sent to Randolph until the 10th grade, when we transferred her to Huntsville High. By the time she was about to graduate, we had started the younger in Randolph. We asked the older's advice on whether to let the younger finish at Randolph. The older said she wished we had started her at HHS a year older, that making friends would have been easier, because several middle schools feed into HHS, so she would have entered on a level footing, so to speak, with the others. As a result, we switched the younger to Huntsville Middle. I should add that Randolph was very small at that time, especially in the upper grades. Randolph was our choice, even though expensive. At no point did it even cross our minds that we should have any entitlement to financial help. We switched the girls to public schools because we realized they would have to adapt to and live in a wider, more diverse, world upon graduation, and Randolph was very small and, to some degree, "clubby." That same factor bothers me about home schooling. School is about more than just formal "book learning." I know home-schooled kids can develop a social circle. It's just got to be harder. I'm still in touch regularly with people I attended high school with. Those are some of the factors we grappled with in deciding on private over public. Home schooling wasn't even a thing back then...
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i think that is more of my core issue with private schools. There is really little diversity in them. I think it’s more socioeconomic than curriculum but not in the way it is commonly used. Most southern private schools are geared towards the middle class. So it really isn’t the elites in these schools like it is commonly slanted. Elites usually are in high cost communities like Spanish Fort, mountain brook, Saraland, Homewood, Hoover, and some of the Madison schools.

But one thing I notice is that it is more difficult for many private school kids to adapt to post grade school life if they were never in public schools. I remember being in basic training and a private school guy from New York really ask our dorm chief for advice on how to talk to black trainees because he was never forced to interact with them. I know that is an extreme example but you can see the same trend going into universities.

I think public schools do better to prepare one for society better, but academics tend to be behind in many places. I tend to favor public schools in most cases for better or worse over Private and homeschool unless the only option is between those or a truly horrendous public school. But to each their own, but I do agree that school is far more than academics
 
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racism hiding behind the veil of sweet mee-maw is the best kind of racism.

the idea that teaching children to be nice to others that are different from them is some kind of insidious indoctrination plot is one of the stupidest things i've ever heard and the fact that there are so many "decent christian" people so eagerly jumping on this bandwagon is disturbing and quite telling.

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Alabama education director ousted over book's stance on race

MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) —
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