As Great as Saban is, he was out-coached by Les Miles Today

[Jessica4Bama]

How do you KNOW that? CNS is human and does make mistakes, but is Stepen Garcia having the game of his career, or Gmac fumbling at the 25, or Milliner or Kirkpatrick blowing coverage, or Maze dropping a pass CNS' fault? We lost these games because of plays made by our opponents and/or plays NOT made by our players. All the while CNS is telling everyone, including our team, that we aren't playing complete games. He knows more than anyone that we have issues, and I think he trying harder than anyone to try to fix them, but he can't play the game on the field. Saying "he did less than he could have to prepare his to win" is presumptuous and unfair...

Yep. The coaches can coach these kids all they want, but it is up to the players to execute. They haven't been executing this year.

 

[SeattleBama]

How do you KNOW that? CNS is human and does make mistakes, but is Stepen Garcia having the game of his career, or Gmac fumbling at the 25, or Milliner or Kirkpatrick blowing coverage, or Maze dropping a pass CNS' fault? We lost these games because of plays made by our opponents and/or plays NOT made by our players. All the while CNS is telling everyone, including our team, that we aren't playing complete games. He knows more than anyone that we have issues, and I think he trying harder than anyone to try to fix them, but he can't play the game on the field. Saying "he did less than he could have to prepare his to win" is presumptuous and unfair...

Dead on.

 

[disneybama]

nm.

 

[disneybama]

... Saying "he did less than he could have to prepare his to win" is presumptuous and unfair...

We will have to agree to disagree.

 

[SeattleBama]

Yep. The coaches can coach these kids all they want, but it is up to the players to execute. They haven't been executing this year.

Again, you football 'experts' need to be more precise with your analysis. What do you mean by execute in this sense? Kill someone? Make a 3 step drop and hit a man in stride down the seam? Use a 3 technique instead of a 2? Shuffle step and go flag route not post? Heavier on resistance training? Quit being so vague.

This team HAS been doing a fine job in most games. There will be blown assignments and missed calls. We lost on the road to a pumped Carolina team and on the road to a bunch of very talented cajuns.

So, please stop with the extremisms please.

 

[Jessica4Bama]

Again, you football 'experts' need to be more precise with your analysis. What do you mean by execute in this sense? Kill someone? Make a 3 step drop and hit a man in stride down the seam? Use a 3 technique instead of a 2? Shuffle step and go flag route not post? Heavier on resistance training? Quit being so vague.

This team HAS been doing a fine job in most games. There will be blown assignments and missed calls. We lost on the road to a pumped Carolina team and on the road to a bunch of very talented cajuns.

So, please stop with the extremisms please.

I'm not an expert. When I say execute I'm meaning the missed tackles, blown assisnments, etc.

 

[MBA_99]

lose a game, he's lost two very recently.......sorry bud, in this kind of programs two loses before the bowl game, and that wasn't a good season.

Don't fool yourself, Saban won't sleep tonight...he knows that his players had some major screw-ups, and unfortunately Nick could have performed better too. They had several chances to give themselves a cushion in the first half, and could not deliver. NS needed to throw the balance off the LSU D, but kept with the power game too long. How many draws do you remember? How many QB fakes/draws? When the D is balanced, it's too easy......why not knock it off and spread it out?

An od college coach next to me at the game brought up this point.

Sorry, but I can't agree it's that easy. There has been an incredibly high percentage of people saying (especially after South Carolina) that if we'd just run the darn ball we'd wear them out and win. That's how we've won since 2008 - wear them down and win in the 4th quarter. I liked seeing them try it, but as some have posted we got beat at the LOS. LSU played really well.

As an aside, I have no idea how a guy with a personality like Miles motivates his players to play that well.

As another aside, now LSU has to keep Miles for at least 1-2 more years.

 

[Bamafan78]

Again, you football 'experts' need to be more precise with your analysis. What do you mean by execute in this sense? Kill someone?

That made me laugh!

 

[BLEEDSRANDW]

I still maintain that with a better coaching staff LSU would be just about unbeatable. And no, Saban was not outcoached. I am always amazed by the people who think you should never lose a game.

I wouldn't trade Coach Saban for anyone else. If he was outcoached today, so be it, it happens sometimes. Coach Bryant was outcoached sometimes.

LSU has very good personnel, possibly better than Bama's, but at least equal to Bama's. I'm sure all of the coaching staff are always trying their best to win the game, the problem is the other team is also. Bama will not win them all every year, but with this staff I'm confident that they will win most of them. ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!:BigA:

 

[Fishhead]

As an aside, I have no idea how a guy with a personality like Miles motivates his players to play that well.

As another aside, now LSU has to keep Miles for at least 1-2 more years.

Did you really think this game would determine that? You do realize the fans from Tiger Droppings have no say in who the LSU coach is, right?? Les Miles is the winningest coach in LSU history, whose worst season is 8-5...after losing the self proclaimed greatest quarterback in NCAA history (LSU's version of Cam) just prior to the season, and having to start freshmen QBs.

 

[BAMARICH]

Sorry, but I can't agree it's that easy. There has been an incredibly high percentage of people saying (especially after South Carolina) that if we'd just run the darn ball we'd wear them out and win. That's how we've won since 2008 - wear them down and win in the 4th quarter. I liked seeing them try it, but as some have posted we got beat at the LOS. LSU played really well.

As an aside, I have no idea how a guy with a personality like Miles motivates his players to play that well.

As another aside, now LSU has to keep Miles for at least 1-2 more years.

Here's the thing with Miles... he obviously has the potential to coach a team to great things. Today, like other times before, is an example. Just like Carroll at USC, he can get a team up for any one game. The problem with both is that they can also be a terrible coach depending on the opponent/day.

Think about it from a player's perspective today. Miles was willing to pass the ball inside his 30 late in the first half when most would have run the clock out. He was willing to gamble with a fake punt and also went for it on fourth down when punting would have been far easier. As one who played, you love it when a coach will give you great opportunities to succeed.

 

[Tradition4ever]

I think that this season is boiling down to two main themes: a lack of identity on offense, and a lack of progression/growth and inexperience on defense.

On offense, its the 9th game, and I still can't tell exactly what this team's identity is supposed to be. It looks as if the plan for this season was to be multiple on offense, with more formations, more diversity, and more of a load in GMac's hands. It's a logical plan seeing as we have a lot of experienced talent on the offensive side of the ball, especially at the skill positions. However, it doesn't seem to be working, at least not against the tougher opponents. I know that the offense has put up great numbers this year, but it seems to me that when this team is down, we don't have that bread and butter core identity to go to and pull out the win, or at least we haven't seen that since the Arkansas game. Also, it may be lingering effects from the knee injury, or maybe it's something else, but Ingram doesn't look to be the same guy right now that he was even ealier this year. Nothing says that better than the fact that in this game and against UT, I noticed that he has been getting trucked on some blitz pickups, and that used to never happen.

On defense, when you start a sophomore with little game experience at one corner, a true freshman at the other corner, and another new starter at safety with little game experience, breakdowns are going to happen. It's just that when we have a breakdown, the other team seems to gain a ton of yards or score.:mad2: Really, looking at this honestly and objectively, the secondary has been pretty solid considering these circumstances. The real disappointment, IMO, has been the front 7. There was quite a bit of returning experience and talent here, if not returning starters, but I personally felt as if this group had a lot of potential. But I can't say that there has been any real growth by the D-line, and the LB's still make similar mistakes that were being made early in the season. Now, some of this can be explained by a lack of health (Dareus, Upshaw), but it's troubling that we had to play Dareus so much when it was clear he was injured, and the lack of pass rush is just puzzling altogether.

All of these issues are fixable, but there's no guarantee that they are fixable this season. You can't win every game every season. Sometimes you have to take your lumps and learn from them. We have the right head guy, and he'll get it worked out. I believe he proved fairly recently that he knows what he's doing....

 

[TiderinMiss]

Sorry, but I can't agree it's that easy. There has been an incredibly high percentage of people saying (especially after South Carolina) that if we'd just run the darn ball we'd wear them out and win. That's how we've won since 2008 - wear them down and win in the 4th quarter. I liked seeing them try it, but as some have posted we got beat at the LOS. LSU played really well.

As an aside, I have no idea how a guy with a personality like Miles motivates his players to play that well.

As another aside, now LSU has to keep Miles for at least 1-2 more years.

He just motivates them well for Bama. All he has to do is keep pointing out that Saban deserted them, even though he hasn't coached there in forever. I'll give him credit...he had a good game plan (well, actually Chavis had a good game plan), but he's still an idiot. He'll find a way to lose to Ole Miss and Arkansas. Wait and see....

 

[Boo Radley]

If CNS does shake up his staff, he needs to look no further than this thread for replacements. :rolleye2:

 

[skipster63]

Agree with most of what you say but no way you beat this LSU team just running the football. They're too good up front. For every good carry Mark had he had one or more for little or no gains. We needed more play action, designed roll-outs(something we seemingly never do), and more of the short passing game. As I've said, we've gone totally vanilla and become way too predictable on O. Teams have figured us out as a conventional O that is relatively easy to prepare for compared to a spread O.
I really think our O will get tweeked big time in the offseason.

This was a great game from two good teams but I think we can now say not two great teams. It always seems it boils down to two or three plays in games like this that make a difference and LSU made those plays and we didn't (either because of coaching or players just making plays). For that matter, sometimes an entire season seems to boil down to two or three plays on many occasions (a blocked TN field goal, etc). I remember Gene Stallings saying you play the whole game for the privilege of making those one or two plays.

I thought Julio brought his A game tonight. Seems to me Julio elevated his game but I have been concerned all year about Donte not elevating his game.......either because of last year's injury or whatever. If everyone gave the effort Julio gave, I'm sure we would be undefeated. That boy plays with heart!

I was like everyone else thinking on the fake punt that surely we would be prepared or on the lookout for trickeration. Les is like Boise State......that is just part of his game so you should expect it. That play to me seemed to be the one play that hurt the worst....a back breaker. I think the reason why I was so upset (maybe even livid) by that was it was at such a critical point in the game and Les is inclined to pull his tricks at exactly times like that in the game. Seems the only ones who DID NOT know that one was coming was either the coaches and/or the players. So I lost my cookies when they plan went off as expected.

I told my boss (who lives in Nawlins) that I was concerned about our lack of consistency on offense, lack of leadership, very few three and outs on defense, etc. I was concerned by something Greg said in an interview the other day when he said leadership on the team is essentially by committee. When everyone is a leader, nobody is a leader. It could be worse, we could be TX this year.

It seems to be that one of the supposed strengths of this team (the O line) turned out to be very average this year. When you can't open up hole for two of the best backs in the nation........you have problems.

I cannot blame all of today's loss on coaching. I would not trade Saban for any other coach. But I do think Saban had some coaching break downs tonight. He does drive me crazy playing games like this close to the vest. But I believe this is just his way and we are going to have to just get used to it as fans. And the players had some break downs as well. We didn't have discipline on the edges, etc. Milliner got burned (again). I did like the effort though. If that effort had been given all year long I think this team would probably be undefeated. I believe the players bought in but bought in late. We just got outplayed tonight. Great teams always find a way to win these type games and it is obvious this is not a great team.

So I would like to see us start getting some players ready for next year like AJ. Hopefully this year will set us up for next year.

 

[Crimson Cat]

If CNS does shake up his staff, he needs to look no further than this thread for replacements. :rolleye2:

Indeed.:rolleye2:

 

[TideFan in AU]

We will have to agree to disagree.

Ok, fair enough. Can you tell what you think he could have done more to prepare our players?

 

[Dallas4Bama]

If CNS does shake up his staff, he needs to look no further than this thread for replacements. :rolleye2:

LOL! Amen brother. Or if Mal gets tired of Nick's "half hearted" approach he could find a good replacement here are well. There are some real gurus here on this board. Strange none of them have jobs coaching and were able to watch the game today. Maybe most of them coach on Sunday.
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[BAMARICH]

Guys... just a warning to make sure everyone understands. Feel free to make your opinion known, but lay off the insults such as "some are experts" and "when Saban shakes up his staff he should check this thread out".

It's one thing to disagree... another to simply flame and these are posts that are intended to disparage others and TF doesn't allow it. If any of you need to see the difference, go back the past two pages and look for red flags on the side of posts.

 

[Tider4653golf]

Maybe we have to many NFL juniors this year, and no senior leadership.]

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This is also what i saw today! To many guys counting $$$$ and not playing like every play matters!!!!

and who else noticed that #4 seemed to give up at the 20 when he could have atleast tried to dive at the guy to stop the TD.

Saban said at the beginning of the year.... the hardest thing is keeping the team hungry, we have looked uninspired all year.