Attack on recruiting stations in Chattanooga

I have a work buddy that is older than me. He was Marine Reserves. He joined after the end of the 1st Gulf War. Said the older guys told them that when they got over to Iraq they were handed a M-16, a clip, and 3 rounds. Thought he was half joking, but this seems in line with what you are saying.

It is the same crap that got 250 Marines killed in Lebanon. The guys guarding the gate did not have rounds chambered and the Hezbollah folks figured that out.
Heck, I've seen guys have negligent discharges. That just screams "Need more training," not "take the ammo and even the bolts away from Joe."
 
Jeez! No soldier can reassemble a gun of that class quickly enough to protect himself.
Oh, no. The bolts were locked up in the arms room. If someone, alone, had attacked this outpost, heck with a bolt action rifle, it would have been a bloodbath.
Like someone said way above, bullet proof glass is a damned good start. If the perp has to come inside and the soldiers are armed, then - different outcome...
Yep. It's a start.
 
BTW now they are saying this guy worked at a nuclear power plant at one point(I'm assuming one of the TVA's.) I always thought those background checks where pretty thorough. The FBI had no clue about this guy even after he apparently went to the Middle East several times. Makes you wonder....

You would think. It was either incompetence or the "we can't be bigoted and deny this guy clearance to work at a nuclear facility just because he has an Arabic last name."
 
You would think. It was either incompetence or the "we can't be bigoted and deny this guy clearance to work at a nuclear facility just because he has an Arabic last name."
To be fair, this guy probably didn't look anything like he did at the time of the shooting, judging from the pix I've seen of him before he went over to the dark side. In fact, I have Italian friends who look more Middle Eastern than he did. Also, it's a Civil Rights Act violation to deny him a job because of his last name. OTOH, one of the media put out today that his father had been investigated for ties to terrorism. That could be a game-changer. There's still a lot of timeline, etc. still to come out...
 
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Correction - this blood is on Bush 41's hands (as well as the presidents that followed) - he initiated this stupid order disarming our military personnel.
 
BTW now they are saying this guy worked at a nuclear power plant at one point(I'm assuming one of the TVA's.) I always thought those background checks where pretty thorough. The FBI had no clue about this guy even after he apparently went to the Middle East several times. Makes you wonder....
The nuke plant was in Ohio. He was there for 10 days until he failed a background check. (No elaboration currently)
 
Correction - this blood is on Bush 41's hands (as well as the presidents that followed) - he initiated this stupid order disarming our military personnel.

To placate the anti-gun lobby.
Really stupid call on Bush 41's part.
A) it's bad policy,
b) the anti-gun folks were going to hate Bush anyway.

I smell Rove in this as well.
 
To be fair, this guy probably didn't look anything like he did at the time of the shooting, judging from the pix I've seen of him before he went over to the dark side. In fact, I have Italian friends who look more Middle Eastern than he did. Also, it's a Civil Rights Act violation to deny him a job because of his last name. OTOH, one of the media put out today that his father had been investigated for ties to terrorism. That could be a game-changer. There's still a lot of timeline, etc. still to come out...

I would not suggest not hiring simply because his name or appearance.
It should generate a closer look at foreign travel, internet postings, etc. before granting the clearance to work in a sensitive site.

I work with a guy with a German/Dutch last name, born in the US. It took him eighteen months to get a clearance because his father had been a missionary in Taiwan and finding neighbors and foreign contacts there took a while. Eventually he got his clearance.
 
Correction - this blood is on Bush 41's hands (as well as the presidents that followed) - he initiated this stupid order disarming our military personnel.

Excuse me for inserting a correction here, but this did not start with Bush 41. I remember as far back as 1975 (which was during Gerald Ford's term) when I was driving a taxicab in the Columbus(GA)/Ft. Benning area.. One night I drove some troops onto the base, and being a former soldier myself, I got into a discussion with a couple of the guys at one of the guard posts. One of them showed me his M-16 and I was dumbfounded when I realized that it wasn't real. It was rubber!
My God. How can we possibly expect our military to defend us when they're not allowed to have bullets, or in some cases, real guns??
 
Jeez! No soldier can reassemble a gun of that class quickly enough to protect himself. Like someone said way above, bullet proof glass is a damned good start. If the perp has to come inside and the soldiers are armed, then - different outcome...

Well it's pretty easy to drop the bolt back in, but they were undoubtedly left in the armory for accountability sake. The firestorm that would befall that leadership if pvt joe's bolt fell out of his cargo pocket in the Sinai somewhere would be a sight to see.

They were really just carrying around clubs at that point, hoping anyone wanting to attack them were too ignorant to realize a M4/16 needs a pretty obvious magazine loaded if it's gonna shoot anybody.


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Well it's pretty easy to drop the bolt back in, but they were undoubtedly left in the armory for accountability sake. The firestorm that would befall that leadership if pvt joe's bolt fell out of his cargo pocket in the Sinai somewhere would be a sight to see.

They were really just carrying around clubs at that point, hoping anyone wanting to attack them were too ignorant to realize a M4/16 needs a pretty obvious magazine loaded if it's gonna shoot anybody.


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LOL! Clumsy clubs at that... :D
 
I don't get it.

Nutjob in Charleston boasts a confederate flag and the US blows up, eliminating it everywhere. Dukes of Hazzard is pulled, Walmart pulls confederate flag merchandise, and governments pull it from public sites.

Nutjob in Chattanooga shoots up the doors with the "no guns allowed" sticker. Why is this not prompting more discussions about the ineffectiveness of "gun-free zones?"

I would think that the "gun free zone" sign was more responsible for the Chattanooga shooting than the confederate flag was for the Charleston shooting.
 
Nutjob in Chattanooga shoots up the doors with the "no guns allowed" sticker. Why is this not prompting more discussions about the ineffectiveness of "gun-free zones?"

I would think that the "gun free zone" sign was more responsible for the Chattanooga shooting than the confederate flag was for the Charleston shooting.

So technically he shot AT a gun free zone FROM a non gun free zone. The gun free recruiting facility had bullet proof glass which did it's job and there was no loss of life. The issue is he went into a military installation where soldiers didn't have the guns to defend themselves and killed 5 people while the local police were the ones that had to stop it.
 
I don't get it.

Nutjob in Charleston boasts a confederate flag and the US blows up, eliminating it everywhere. Dukes of Hazzard is pulled, Walmart pulls confederate flag merchandise, and governments pull it from public sites.

Nutjob in Chattanooga shoots up the doors with the "no guns allowed" sticker. Why is this not prompting more discussions about the ineffectiveness of "gun-free zones?"

I would think that the "gun free zone" sign was more responsible for the Chattanooga shooting than the confederate flag was for the Charleston shooting.
2003 is correct nobody killed at the "gun free zone," but the point is well taken. A century ago, I dare say that every US military installation had an armed guard at the gate. Normally a soldier (if an Army installation or a sailor if Navy). We have gotten soft and complacent since the end of the Cold War and literally dropped our guard. A terrorist ought to be scared to death to go to a military installation, because those by definition ought to be concentrations armed killers. Instead, we have turned them into the softest and most lucrative of targets. That could change with the simple signing of an order by the CinC, but his ideological blinders will not allow it. And nobody will be outraged as the deaths mount. Nobody really cares, noty enough to demand change, anyway.
 

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