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[KrAzY3]

To me the issue with Newton isn't a question of being talented or the like, it's just how much Auburn is willing to risk on him.

Ok, so Chris Todd is gone... we get that.

Burns is now at WR... you then had a situation in which Caudle and Rollinson looked to compete with each other for the job. They then get Newton who can come in and compete for the job immediately, it would seem.

However, with Rollingson out of the picture now they are running a big risk no matter what. Caudle is very inexperienced and seems to be relegated to the backup role. Then you have Newton who has character issues along with being thrown into the role with little time to adjust to it. It just seems like Rollinson was the type of guy you want to keep around just in case and their inability to do so is a risk. Betting everything on a kid who hasn't played in a single game for you seems like quite a risk...

 

[bonehouse81]

"Laptop" Newton would not be the first 5-star to tank. Recruiting is an inexact science anyway. To me particularly at the QB position, you cannot go by how the recruiting services rate QB's. We've had our share of flops at the QB position with guys that were supposed to be all-everything, Billy Ray, Jeff Dunn, Vince Sutton.

All I heard from the Aubies in 2007 is they had their QB of the future in Kodi Burns. I remember hearing them say that Burns was a superior athlete, had a rocket for an arm and had great touch. Granted Burns was a 4-star QB. Maybe with Newton having an extra star he will turn out to better for them than Burns. :biggrin: I think Burns would have turned out to be a very good WR had he been put at WR when he arrived at Auburn.

I will go on record as saying I think Newton ends up being nothing special.

That's all true, but Bama fans' stance on Newton has pretty much been, "There's no possible way he's going to be any good," rather than, "Nobody knows for sure if he's going to be any good."

Personally, I tend to agree with you — I don't see him as a top-flight player, but he could be similar to someone like Terrell Pryor (so-so as a passer, but dangerous as an overall player).

As for his passing ability, I found it telling that he wanted to go to UT, but UT turned him down and ended up going with Louisville castoff Matt Simms (a JUCO 5.5 3-star on Rivals) instead.

 

[BigEasyTider]

And for the record, Newton's intelligence isn't an issue. He was a good student in high school, qualified at Florida with no problem, graduated from a junior college, and enrolled early at Auburn.

Character is an issue, but intelligence is not. From what I can tell he's a relatively bright kid, just not the smartest guy in terms of staying out of trouble.

 

[bamabryan]

Personally, I tend to agree with you — I don't see him as a top-flight player, but he could be similar to someone like Terrell Pryor (so-so as a passer, but dangerous as an overall player).


As for his passing ability, I found it telling that he wanted to go to UT, but UT turned him down and ended up going with Louisville castoff Matt Simms (a JUCO 5.5 3-star on Rivals) instead.

I can see the Pryor comparison and agree.

Interesting on Newton's preference to go to Tennessee. I did not know this.

 

[BigEasyTider]

I really don't think Newton is an elite quarterback, at least not by the definition that he will be a star on this level and likely a star on the next level too.

On the other hand, the whole Brent Schaeffer comparison is way off. People forget this in hindsight, but Schaeffer really wasn't an overly-touted recruit coming out of high school. He was "only" a four-star, neither Rivals or Scout had him as one of the top five quarterbacks in his class (Scout didn't even have him in the top ten), he wasn't a top ten player in the state of Florida, and his offer list wasn't anything overly special. Oh sure he got overblown bigger than hell coming out of JUCO, but even so he was never even close to being a traditional pocket passer... he was basically always a tailback playing quarterback.

Newton, however, is just a whole different ball of wax. He's got the size of a traditional pocket passer, and he's a good athlete in his own right. Truth be told, the only thing that Schaeffer and Newton have in common is that they are both black quarterbacks who washed out of high profile programs, before re-signing with mid-tier programs as highly-touted recruits coming out of JUCO. In terms of their abilities, it's apples and oranges.

 

[bonehouse81]

Interesting on Newton's preference to go to Tennessee. I did not know this.

That's what some UT people were saying, at least.

Also of note, at one point, Newton was considered to be in the bag for Mississippi State -- I'm sure his familiarity with Dan Mullen at Florida was a factor, but at the same time, Mississippi State is rarely even in it for top QBs (e.g., Newton may not be nearly as good as his 5-star ranking would indicate).

Newton was also listed as having an Oklahoma offer, but I don't know how hard they were after him.

 

[bonehouse81]

Newton, however, is just a whole different ball of wax. He's got the size of a traditional pocket passer, and he's a good athlete in his own right. Truth be told, the only thing that Schaeffer and Newton have in common is that they are both black quarterbacks who washed out of high profile programs, before re-signing with mid-tier programs as highly-touted recruits coming out of JUCO. In terms of their abilities, it's apples and oranges.

BARNER!!!!!!

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[Saban14]

I just really don't understand how someone could compare Schaeffer and Newton at all...other than, of course, they are both black QB's. It seems every single black quarterback is lumped in together. Heck, most people would compare any black HS QB to Mike Vick or assume they are supreme athletes. I have always found this funny.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Malzahn's offense is pretty simple to pick up. It's not like a pro style offense where the quarterback goes through progressions. Malzahn's uses a lot of "distractive" motion and misdirection away from the ball and pre-snap to create that split second of hesitance and to gain that extra second in the pocket. But if you don't get caught up in all the motion and crap going on away from the ball you'll see his offense isn't complicated.

I expect Newton will pick up the offense just fine and for the most part will put up big numbers. But against teams with stout defense Malzahn's offense will prove it is very susceptible to the blitz. The "flaw" in his offense is he has to give up protection to do all the misdirection and crazy plays he runs. We saw that in the Iron Bowl.

Newton will have a hard time coming into Tuscaloosa and winning.

 

[sanjosecrimson]

That's what some UT people were saying, at least.

Also of note, at one point, Newton was considered to be in the bag for Mississippi State -- I'm sure his familiarity with Dan Mullen at Florida was a factor, but at the same time, Mississippi State is rarely even in it for top QBs (e.g., Newton may not be nearly as good as his 5-star ranking would indicate).

Newton was also listed as having an Oklahoma offer, but I don't know how hard they were after him.

Bulldog fans were crying"foul play" when Newton decided to commit to the barn. many thought as well as some barners that Newton was Mullen's to lose...:rolleye2:

 

[jeremy]

Was Rollison a complete bust? This guy was a 4 star recruit. Hes still a freshman. I dont understand why he didnt transfer to a better school, sit out a year and still have 3 years to play. Its rare for a freshman to start at QB anyway.

 

[Saban14]

Malzahn's offense is pretty simple to pick up. It's not like a pro style offense where the quarterback goes through progressions. Malzahn's uses a lot of "distractive" motion and misdirection away from the ball and pre-snap to create that split second of hesitance and to gain that extra second in the pocket. But if you don't get caught up in all the motion and crap going on away from the ball you'll see his offense isn't complicated.

I expect Newton will pick up the offense just fine and for the most part will put up big numbers. But against teams with stout defense Malzahn's offense will prove it is very susceptible to the blitz. The "flaw" in his offense is he has to give up protection to do all the misdirection and crazy plays he runs. We saw that in the Iron Bowl.

Newton will have a hard time coming into Tuscaloosa and winning.

Malzahn's offense will never win them a championship, guaranteed. It may not even win them many big games at all. Against a disciplined defense with a solid DL, it gets shut down. We didn't shut it down in the first quarter of the IB, but the rest of the game it was almost completely ineffective.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Was Rollison a complete bust? This guy was a 4 star recruit. Hes still a freshman. I dont understand why he didnt transfer to a better school, sit out a year and still have 3 years to play. Its rare for a freshman to start at QB anyway.

He had fallen behind the other two QBs and was having grade problems. Then, they bring in CN, who has only two years to play. I guess he thought he needed to get out from underneath the pile...

 

[ElkhartTider]

Malzahn's offense is pretty simple to pick up. It's not like a pro style offense where the quarterback goes through progressions. Malzahn's uses a lot of "distractive" motion and misdirection away from the ball and pre-snap to create that split second of hesitance and to gain that extra second in the pocket. But if you don't get caught up in all the motion and crap going on away from the ball you'll see his offense isn't complicated.

I expect Newton will pick up the offense just fine and for the most part will put up big numbers. But against teams with stout defense Malzahn's offense will prove it is very susceptible to the blitz. The "flaw" in his offense is he has to give up protection to do all the misdirection and crazy plays he runs. We saw that in the Iron Bowl.

Newton will have a hard time coming into Tuscaloosa and winning.

You're exactly right.. Malzahn's offense is incredibly simple.
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[BEATtutorsee]

"Laptop" Newton would not be the first 5-star to tank. Recruiting is an inexact science anyway. To me particularly at the QB position, you cannot go by how the recruiting services rate QB's. We've had our share of flops at the QB position with guys that were supposed to be all-everything, Billy Ray, Jeff Dunn, Vince Sutton.

All I heard from the Aubies in 2007 is they had their QB of the future in Kodi Burns. I remember hearing them say that Burns was a superior athlete, had a rocket for an arm and had great touch. Granted Burns was a 4-star QB. Maybe with Newton having an extra star he will turn out to better for them than Burns. :biggrin: I think Burns would have turned out to be a very good WR had he been put at WR when he arrived at Auburn.

I will go on record as saying I think Newton ends up being nothing special.

Actually Burns was a 5-star guy, at least on Scout. That just proves the point in your second sentence.

 

[BigEasyTider]

Was Rollison a complete bust? This guy was a 4 star recruit. Hes still a freshman. I dont understand why he didnt transfer to a better school, sit out a year and still have 3 years to play. Its rare for a freshman to start at QB anyway.

He couldn't beat out two recruiting busts or a game-manager on an unranked 7-5 team, which is to say nothing of academic / off-field issues.

No legitimate BCS conference school good enough to justify him sitting out a year to play for was going to take him on. It was either scout team scrub at Auburn or big shot at East Popcorn State, and he chose East Popcorn State...

 

[venegoni]

If you watched a lot of the barns games last year they moved the ball and scored in the 1st quarter or half. After defensive adjustments they were all but shut down in most games.

 

[RollTide1224]

Since we are Auburn qb busts surprised no one mentioned Neil Caudle. He was very highly rated coming out of high school and was recently on the front of the ESPN college football page as a bust.

I am not sure if Newton will be good or not but on here we usually use offer lists as a way to determine how good a player is and Newton's seemed to be a lot of Big XII North schools and then MSU and Auburn. This could be because of his previous issues and not his talent, but everyone knows issues like that will tend to wash out a player faster than a lack of talent.

One thing that doesn't bode well for Auburn is that if Newton is great and goes down they are in a lot of trouble, or if Newton doesn't pick up the game as quick as they think he should they will be in trouble. It's also probably not a good situation that Newton feels like he already has the job won and that realistically none of the other Qb's should challenge him.

 

[ElkhartTider]

If I remember correctly Caudle was a 3 star.. I wouldn't exactly say he was very highly rated but I still think he's a bust.
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[BEATtutorsee]

If I remember correctly Caudle was a 3 star.. I wouldn't exactly say he was very highly rated but I still think he's a bust.
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Actually Caudle was a fairly highly rated 4-star on both Rivals and Scout coming out of high school.