Does anyone know how Auburn's class is shaping up? I've heard from some barners its fantastic. Nuts and bolts wise are they getting some decent players?
Auburn Recruiting Class?
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Eric Mack committed to Auburn.
Eric Mack's Auburn Switch: Picks Auburn, South Carolina Rival, After Commitment To USC (POLL)
Eric Mack's Auburn Switch: Picks Auburn, South Carolina Rival, After Commitment To USC (POLL)
There are some other posters who will provide some much better insight, but let me take a crack at being objective about Auburn's class. I almost started a similar thread the other day asking people's opinions.
First of all, Auburn should be pretty much done when it comes to the 2010 class. They could have room for a select few, but they are sitting at 28 commitments right now. Some of those will no doubt be back counted to the 2009 class. However, the point is there isn't a lot of room. Of course, Auburn usually has its share of academic casualties.
Second, there is a big difference between piling up recruiting-star rankings and actually building a great class. Of the 14 four- and five-star recruits already committed, only five play defense. None of the five-star commits are defenders. To me, this hearkens back to the days under Shula where the staff paid too much attention to the skill positions. Auburn also needs to rebuild the offensive line, and yet their offensive line class is looking very mediocre with the exception of Shon Coleman. Who is going to block for Michael Dyer in two years?
Finally, the overall ranking of this class will end up being a little deceptive. Three of their top recruits (and one of their five-stars) are junior college transfers, reminding me of the three consecutive years that Eltoro Freeman helped buoy the Auburn class. Their five-star QB transfer, Cameron Newton, looks like another Kodi Burns.
Ranking Shon Coleman as a five-star was very generous by Rivals. The fact that we have at least two lineman ahead of Coleman on our OL board should tell you all you need to know. There are some other solid players in this class, but I think you have to ask yourself which of them Alabama would take in exchange for a commitment at the same position.
In the end, I think we would take LaDarius Owens if we could. We would almost certainly take Michael Dyer (although some on here might disagree). And there is some chance we might take Craig Sanders, although his switch to Auburn might have been an omen of his chances for playing at Alabama. So the question you have to ask yourself is how good could a class really be if we would take only three players out of 28?
I think the objective answer has to be that Auburn has built a solid class, but not one that really addresses their major needs. And while they are doing well from a rankings standpoint, a closer look shows that their class doesn't have the elite athletes it will take to compete with today's top SEC programs. Finishing in the Top 10 is great, but when that puts you in the middle of the SEC, what have you really accomplished?
First of all, Auburn should be pretty much done when it comes to the 2010 class. They could have room for a select few, but they are sitting at 28 commitments right now. Some of those will no doubt be back counted to the 2009 class. However, the point is there isn't a lot of room. Of course, Auburn usually has its share of academic casualties.
Second, there is a big difference between piling up recruiting-star rankings and actually building a great class. Of the 14 four- and five-star recruits already committed, only five play defense. None of the five-star commits are defenders. To me, this hearkens back to the days under Shula where the staff paid too much attention to the skill positions. Auburn also needs to rebuild the offensive line, and yet their offensive line class is looking very mediocre with the exception of Shon Coleman. Who is going to block for Michael Dyer in two years?
Finally, the overall ranking of this class will end up being a little deceptive. Three of their top recruits (and one of their five-stars) are junior college transfers, reminding me of the three consecutive years that Eltoro Freeman helped buoy the Auburn class. Their five-star QB transfer, Cameron Newton, looks like another Kodi Burns.
Ranking Shon Coleman as a five-star was very generous by Rivals. The fact that we have at least two lineman ahead of Coleman on our OL board should tell you all you need to know. There are some other solid players in this class, but I think you have to ask yourself which of them Alabama would take in exchange for a commitment at the same position.
In the end, I think we would take LaDarius Owens if we could. We would almost certainly take Michael Dyer (although some on here might disagree). And there is some chance we might take Craig Sanders, although his switch to Auburn might have been an omen of his chances for playing at Alabama. So the question you have to ask yourself is how good could a class really be if we would take only three players out of 28?
I think the objective answer has to be that Auburn has built a solid class, but not one that really addresses their major needs. And while they are doing well from a rankings standpoint, a closer look shows that their class doesn't have the elite athletes it will take to compete with today's top SEC programs. Finishing in the Top 10 is great, but when that puts you in the middle of the SEC, what have you really accomplished?
The switch of Sanders was directly tied to us getting Alfy Hill, who we had rated higher.
Dyer, while good and we probably would have made room, is not in the top 5 or 6 compared to last year's RB class.
Coleman is overrated as a five star, though we would love to have him if Stone or Arie fall through.
Dyer, while good and we probably would have made room, is not in the top 5 or 6 compared to last year's RB class.
Coleman is overrated as a five star, though we would love to have him if Stone or Arie fall through.
There are barners in Las Vegas? jk
They are doing surprisingly well in recruiting under Chizik. I know we all laughed at them back in the summer with the coaches Limo tours, Big Cat weekend with the cake and watermelon eating contests and Toomers Corner TP rolling, Stars and Stripes weekends, etc. Believe it or not that recruiting style seems to being paying off big commit dividends with only some secondary violations so far.
According to media reports the barn has five commits from this class who are already enrolled at Auburn as early enrollees who will be backcounted to their 2009 signing class. They have currently have 22 commits for the 2010 class. Apparently they also have room on their team to enroll 25 signees in the 2010 class.
In the link below ESPN reports that the two of the 2010 HS commits are early enrollees that have already signed an LOI. That can not be correct. According to NCAA the commits can enroll early but they can not sign an LOI until NSD which is Feb. 3, 2010.
Auburn Football Recruiting 2010 - ESPN
Auburn Commit List for 2010
Gene Chizik not afraid to aim for the stars | X's and Uh-oh's - al.com
Are you implying that we can have Coleman if we need him? How solid is he to the cowturds?
I am surprised at how well they have recruited as well, but would I trade their class for ours? No way! They are also lacking on recruiting defense. They gave up they most points in their history last year. They won't out score everyone especially when they run up against a good defense.
Not that ratings mean everything, cause you still have to coach them up, but do you think if Auburn gets their wish list they end up with a higher recruiting rank than us?
Not that ratings mean everything, cause you still have to coach them up, but do you think if Auburn gets their wish list they end up with a higher recruiting rank than us?
gumptider, I understand that none of us like Auburn, but don't let that get in the way of an unbiased analysis.
You make some fantastic points, but when you call their OL class very mediocre, it shows your slant.
Roszell Gayden, a 4-star, had offers from all over the country and will probably start for them next year.
Shon Coleman, who I agree, may be a little overrated as a 5-star, is still an exceptional OL.
Ed Christian is a fairly solid OL who isn't your typical 3 star AU recruit. And by that I mean someone who only had offers from Troy, UAB, FIU and Arkansas State. He had legit offers from some pretty big time programs, and was once committed to FSU.
Eric Mack is a terrific 4-star recruit as a guard. He too had offers from all over the country and for whatever reason, chose Auburn over any number of better options.
Chad Slade is the kind of OL they have been getting in years past. He had offers from Arkansas Tech, La Tech, UAB, etc...
They may not be pulling in the OL class that we've pulled in the last few years, but that is far from very mediocre.
The question I have, (and plenty of other guys that work in my office who don't root for UA have) is why are these guys suddenly going to the Barn? How are they having this type of success? I don't want to suggest anything dirty. I hate rumors, what goes around comes around, so I don't want to jump on that bandwagon. But there still has to be a reasonable explanation as to why these guys continue to go to Auburn.
1. Alabama looks to be on the verge of becoming one of the new Kings of College Football. (Why go to an in-state rival who traditionally hasn't been anywhere nearly as succesful?) I understand not coming here, especially if they had no offer, but there are 120 other D1 schools to go play for.
2. (9 of their 14) 4 and 5 star recruits are not from the state of Alabama. What would make a recruit go to a school in the middle of nowhere that isn't from this area when they have their pick of schools at their fingertips?
Is it simply the excitment of playing in Malzahn's offense? Is it the lure of immediate playing time? Something is drawing these recruits to the plains, but I'm not sure what. . . And they're not done yet, from what I'm hearing, they are still looking to add 5 more commitments.
You make some fantastic points, but when you call their OL class very mediocre, it shows your slant.
Roszell Gayden, a 4-star, had offers from all over the country and will probably start for them next year.
Shon Coleman, who I agree, may be a little overrated as a 5-star, is still an exceptional OL.
Ed Christian is a fairly solid OL who isn't your typical 3 star AU recruit. And by that I mean someone who only had offers from Troy, UAB, FIU and Arkansas State. He had legit offers from some pretty big time programs, and was once committed to FSU.
Eric Mack is a terrific 4-star recruit as a guard. He too had offers from all over the country and for whatever reason, chose Auburn over any number of better options.
Chad Slade is the kind of OL they have been getting in years past. He had offers from Arkansas Tech, La Tech, UAB, etc...
They may not be pulling in the OL class that we've pulled in the last few years, but that is far from very mediocre.
The question I have, (and plenty of other guys that work in my office who don't root for UA have) is why are these guys suddenly going to the Barn? How are they having this type of success? I don't want to suggest anything dirty. I hate rumors, what goes around comes around, so I don't want to jump on that bandwagon. But there still has to be a reasonable explanation as to why these guys continue to go to Auburn.
1. Alabama looks to be on the verge of becoming one of the new Kings of College Football. (Why go to an in-state rival who traditionally hasn't been anywhere nearly as succesful?) I understand not coming here, especially if they had no offer, but there are 120 other D1 schools to go play for.
2. (9 of their 14) 4 and 5 star recruits are not from the state of Alabama. What would make a recruit go to a school in the middle of nowhere that isn't from this area when they have their pick of schools at their fingertips?
Is it simply the excitment of playing in Malzahn's offense? Is it the lure of immediate playing time? Something is drawing these recruits to the plains, but I'm not sure what. . . And they're not done yet, from what I'm hearing, they are still looking to add 5 more commitments.
He's not as solid as some Auburn fans try to suggest. He's still taking officials. He was recently in Fayetteville, and will be in Oxford this weekend.
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Bottom line is, on paper, this is the best Auburn class in a decade.
Tommy got addicted to recruiting against a probation-wracked team. Players were plentiful. Pickins were easy. Like all junkies, he didn't work very hard, particularly as relations with his employer turned toxic. And that proved fatal when the new sheriff arrived in Tuscaloosa.
Gene Chizik and his staff have busted butt from the beginning. Our class is better, but that doesn't make their's anything close to second-rate. We're about to face a new kind of AU. The worst thing we can do is underrate them.
Tommy got addicted to recruiting against a probation-wracked team. Players were plentiful. Pickins were easy. Like all junkies, he didn't work very hard, particularly as relations with his employer turned toxic. And that proved fatal when the new sheriff arrived in Tuscaloosa.
Gene Chizik and his staff have busted butt from the beginning. Our class is better, but that doesn't make their's anything close to second-rate. We're about to face a new kind of AU. The worst thing we can do is underrate them.
don't know if this is against the rules, but they ARE cheating i don't think there's question
here's what i think happened:
the boosters, alumni, etc... who tell auburn's AD what to do were freaking out about alabama doing so well, they just couldn't take it, tubby would never cheat, and that's why they never truley liked him, the fans did but not the "big dogs"
so they fire him and bring in a guy who will
they have a history of doing this and i think they're doing it again,
i also believe that's why they didn't like terry bowden
here's what i think happened:
the boosters, alumni, etc... who tell auburn's AD what to do were freaking out about alabama doing so well, they just couldn't take it, tubby would never cheat, and that's why they never truley liked him, the fans did but not the "big dogs"
so they fire him and bring in a guy who will
they have a history of doing this and i think they're doing it again,
i also believe that's why they didn't like terry bowden
Well for as good as Auburn class has been ranked, it will still likely finish below Alabama's class. If Alabama picks up Stone and Arie as many expect, Alabama will firmly place themselves in the top-3.
Auburn fans have a right to be excited because their class is one of the 5 best in the nation. It's funny to think that #4 in the nation is only good for 3rd place in the SEC though. Of course, I think once you get into the top 5 and maybe even top 10...it's all about how the class falls out over the next 3-4 years. You know: academic casualties, busts, and how it solved roster needs.
Personally, I think Alabama's class has done a much better job of filling roster needs but Alabama has far less in the way of "needs" to fill after the 08 and 09 classes. Alabama has two potentially great pass rushers that have the opportunity to develop behind depth...I think Saban is still looking for an top-flight Jack skill-type athlete. We hit the jackpot at DB with Williams, Perry, Millner, and others. Keenan Allen looks like another BJ Scott (a guy who has great potential either way): if he catches on at WR early, we have our playmaker replacement for Jones down the line; if not, he's an elite safety in the making too.
This is not to say that Auburn didn't fill some critical needs. Their OL needed a lot of work both on the starting line and workable quality depth. They definitely filled that need big time. Cam Newton is another hold-over JUCO QB who is perhaps a better fit for Malzahn's offense (he was originally recruited for Florida's spread offense). They've recruited alright on defense but I think that is where their class comes up short overall. I don't see many guys who are immediate impact guys over there and that is kinda what they need desperately.
Auburn fans have a right to be excited because their class is one of the 5 best in the nation. It's funny to think that #4 in the nation is only good for 3rd place in the SEC though. Of course, I think once you get into the top 5 and maybe even top 10...it's all about how the class falls out over the next 3-4 years. You know: academic casualties, busts, and how it solved roster needs.
Personally, I think Alabama's class has done a much better job of filling roster needs but Alabama has far less in the way of "needs" to fill after the 08 and 09 classes. Alabama has two potentially great pass rushers that have the opportunity to develop behind depth...I think Saban is still looking for an top-flight Jack skill-type athlete. We hit the jackpot at DB with Williams, Perry, Millner, and others. Keenan Allen looks like another BJ Scott (a guy who has great potential either way): if he catches on at WR early, we have our playmaker replacement for Jones down the line; if not, he's an elite safety in the making too.
This is not to say that Auburn didn't fill some critical needs. Their OL needed a lot of work both on the starting line and workable quality depth. They definitely filled that need big time. Cam Newton is another hold-over JUCO QB who is perhaps a better fit for Malzahn's offense (he was originally recruited for Florida's spread offense). They've recruited alright on defense but I think that is where their class comes up short overall. I don't see many guys who are immediate impact guys over there and that is kinda what they need desperately.
Personally, most years anyone who is ranked in the top 5 on any of the major recruiting services can legitimately claim their's is the best in the country. W/ that said, the Barn has certainly accumulated an impressive class... but like a lot of others, no way I swap with them. Our recruits are targeted by CNS and staff because they somehow fit into our systems... and there are some guys off their list we would definitely take if given the chance and vice-versa.
However it's being done, someone else earlier in the thread was right. If CGC continues on this course, the in-state rivalry will improve... and IMO that will make us even better.
However it's being done, someone else earlier in the thread was right. If CGC continues on this course, the in-state rivalry will improve... and IMO that will make us even better.
You aso have to consider that albarn will be bringing in several more recruits than Bama, with their 5-6 back counters that will be ranked in this class although not counted against the numbers. Bama's back counters will come from greyshirts and not rank with this class.
The barn has a very good recruiting class but only a few of the top recruits could compare with Bama's. Actually, a couple of their top rated recruits were "fall back" recruits for Bama.....Bama offered but had others rated above them.
I honestly don't believe the aubie recruiting will consistently hold up once the new wears off the offense, they continue to win 8-9 games and can no longer guarantee "immediate" playing time. JMO
The barn has a very good recruiting class but only a few of the top recruits could compare with Bama's. Actually, a couple of their top rated recruits were "fall back" recruits for Bama.....Bama offered but had others rated above them.
I honestly don't believe the aubie recruiting will consistently hold up once the new wears off the offense, they continue to win 8-9 games and can no longer guarantee "immediate" playing time. JMO
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