But they haven't left. Many players have complained about many things over the years, but few leave. I personally don't blame the WRs or RBs for their frustration this year, but Saban has earned the benefit of the doubt. But finally the problem, QB, has been addressed. They are still here, but some act as if they are gone - Damien even returned when he could have left for the draft.
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But they haven't left. Many players have complained about many things over the years, but few leave. I personally don't blame the WRs or RBs for their frustration this year, but Saban has earned the benefit of the doubt. But finally the problem, QB, has been addressed. They are still here, but some act as if they are gone - Damien even returned when he could have left for the draft.
Agree 100%! When Mods such as Earle and RTR91 say something you can pretty much take it as gospel. Saying something at the time was not necessary but, the locker room rumors after the Iron Bowl were true. Players texted their frustration. At the end of the day we won and hopefully all the BS will be out to rest.
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Well, I see nothing has changed on the OC/Dc front. Since I am far behind on this, I’ll just keep reading.
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One thing I really liked when Saban arrived was how he shut down a lot of insider fan access as to what was going on with the program. All of a sudden, the team's internal business was not broadcast for general discussion.
I cant help but say, if a young wide receiver confided in someone he trusted that he was having second thoughts and was discouraged by who was at qb, my guess is he would greatly prefer that not be a topic for discussion on a message board. At least we didn't have names mentioned and players quoted.
I also can imagine Saban had factors involved in deciding when or if to switch that critics are not aware of.
Yeah, they didn't leave because Tua finally played.
The QB problem hasn't been addressed, though. Saban hasn't named anyone the starter. I understand Daboll feared a repeat of this season next season, which played a role in him looking elsewhere.
This is what some of us are trying to get across. The problem remains and could cause more tension and issues within the program. It has clearly died down some. Thankfully.
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Yes, I can see the WR's being upset, but the team is way more than the WR's. A whole lot of players publicly rallied around Jalen after the AU loss.
As far as the locker room being upset at halftime, water is wet. I'm sure they were upset because they getting that butts handled to them, on both sides of the ball. I just don't buy that every coach and every player was on board with Jalen getting benched mid season (5 games earlier, I believe is the rumor) like people are acting like was the case. After AU, I can see a whole lot more people feeling that, and apparently Saban did too.
Somehow in this whole thing the fact that Damien Harris got 6 carries against AU has got lost in all this. Do you think this CNS' doing? I don't. The Clemson game looks to me like had CNS' fingerprints all over it. Even with Jalen's limitations, that was a horribly called game. A game in which Saban said they got away from who they are. The people blindly siding with Daboll on this should also realize that his play calling was a mess at a lot of times this year.
How can the quarterback situation not be solved after watching the game? (Rhetorical question) It has never been in dispute who the better passer was after seeing Tua play in mop up and A Day IMO. The only issue was trust from what I can discern. I think that was alleviated a bit by Tua’s championship game performance. Lol.
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It may have been already discussed but how about Hugh Freeze as CO-OC as QB coach with Locksley as CO-OC remaining with the WR?
The issue of the qb issue being solved is based only on perception alone at this point, I think many believe tua will probably be that guy but until a starter is named , you can't assume or guarantee that that's the case. I would be shocked to see a starter named until close to the beginning of the season. That's how coach is, he may have a starter in mind, but he's not going to name it that soon.
TideFan in AU
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I'm not missing anything. I'm just not willing to take one side of this as the gospel. A HC has to take every aspect of his team into consideration. The WR's may have been upset. The OC apparently was frustrated, but at the end of the day CNS was obviously doing what he thought was the best chance for his team to win.
The bottom line is that pulling Jalen Hurts off the field for an untested freshman was a risky decision. CNS chose to wait to do it until he no longer had a chance.
I think everyone agrees that from a pure X's and O's perspective, Freeze would make sense. But the reality is that its not that simple. His lack of character with Ole Miss went much further than anything Kiffin or Sark did before taking over. And from a business perspective, the brand of the program is an essential component of the team and University, and hiring Freeze would damage that brand.
I think there is a way to have this debate more civilly, but fans who have invested time and money in the program / University have the right to be concerned with a potential hire who could damage the team's reputation going forward.
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Im not sure if we are going to have a dedicated QB coach position. We definitely could with the 10th assistant added, but I'm not sure how they are going to do it.
Who played him ?
Yes it has. Not finally, but it has been addressed. Do you really think it's fair or right to name Tua the starter after one half and refuse competition to a 25-2 starter who lead you to 2 NC games, who has done great things for the program, who is the defending SEC POY, who can't be outworked, who is infinitely coachable, who is a great kid and teammate? (Btw, IMO, Jalen has no chance to be the starter. Not only that, as I said somewhere else - the staff, players, fans and even the rest of the college football world will explode in rage if Tua is not the starter when one is finally named. That's assuming nothing unusual happens between now and then. I think even Jalen was relieved when Tua went in - he knows.) There has to be a competition - Jalen has to be given a chance. It will also provide incentive for Tua, though he probably doesn't need it. Back to your original point, the QB situation has been addressed as much as it can reasonably be.
If by "the problem', you mean that Saban hasn't name Tua the starter, IMO, you are off base. He should not name Tua the starter, even though I believe he should be and will be named such, but Jalen should be given a chance. The reason it has died down is that Saban is handling it properly, at least according to what we know. You seem to be expressing fear over what might happen and criticizing on that basis. I have trouble understanding how a reasonable person cannot understand Saban's reluctance to bench Jalen until after the AU game. Even if you disagree with the timing, it seems you should understand. I personally wanted Tua also, but had to leave it in Saban's hands and tried to understand. Even if he were wrong, he's earned the right to make that mistake. If he selects Jalen, even though internally I will be going crazy
, I don't want to make it public. You leave the impression that Saban doesn't really know what he's doing regarding the QB - if so, even if he makes the wrong call, IMO, you are wrong.Well if there was some truth to Tua possibly transferring if he didn’t get a shot last season... it’s certainly going to be the case if he doesn’t start after that stellar performance (it’s funny how people criticize his mistakes even in the NC game when he never had a meaningful snap alllll season and gets thrown into the biggest game). Guy would be welcomed with OPEN arms and be the starter whever he chooses from this point. This whole “QB competition†gives me anxiety and if a conservative OC is named I may have a heart attack.
I believe Daboll was both the coordinator and QB’s coach but I could be off. I know Locksley was CO-OC and WR coach this year.
Every OC Saban has hired since Applewhite has been at least adequate to get the job done, although of course we've seen much better than simply adequate. I expect Saban understands the situation as well as anyone, and will pick one that is up to the job. The talent makes a good safety net for a first year OC fresh on the job. There are no guarantees but the odds are in our favor.
One thing in general about being critical, and this certainly isn't directed at anyone, if you keep pointing out what could go wrong and what should be and have been done, then, if something does get off track you've got the built in pleasure of saying "I told you so."
One thing in general about being critical, and this certainly isn't directed at anyone, if you keep pointing out what could go wrong and what should be and have been done, then, if something does get off track you've got the built in pleasure of saying "I told you so."
I think whoever Saban gets will have trouble doing a bad job. This team is loaded, and honestly if Alabama can win with a washed up offensive coordinator then I'm betting whoever comes in that isn't an emergency hire will do just fine.
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If you are referring to me, let me say I'm not criticizing his mistakes. I'm just pointing out the fact that he made some pretty big mistakes, which is to be expected in his first start. I was just saying that the likelihood that he was going to make mistakes like that is probably the main reason we didn't see him start earlier. Unless they had named him the starter at Mercer, he was going to have his first start at a big time conference game or Playoff/Championship game. Towards the end of the season CNS had to make the decision to start him against LSU at home, or MSU and AU on the road. After that you throw him against Clemson and after that UGA for all the marbles. There was really no "good" time for a guy to make his 1st career start.
I am very excited about seeing Tua next year!
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