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Bobstod,

I am more than a little disappointed in your post to Homesick. No one was inhospitable to Homesick, he came on this board knowing it was used primarily by people from Alabama. Unless he is incredibly naive, he should also know that the majority of people in Alabama are conservative religious people. What does he do? He insults us. If we had gone to a message board in California and called them a bunch of godless left wing freaks we would have received the same treatment, if not worse. As far as the way Nan would treat him in her house, it goes both ways. If Homesick came into my house and addressed me the way he has here, he would be shown the door.

By categorizing people into the "Religious Right" and calling them intolerant, how are you any different than those who categorize homosexuals?

The double standard gets tiresome to the point that many of us have lost patience, and tolerance for people like Homesick. Why is it OK for him to be intolerant of Conservative Christians but we can't be intolerant of homosexuals? Why is it ok to come on a Bama message boards and insult people from our state but when we do the same to him we are intolerant and narrow-minded? You know why? Because you Liberals are such ignorant, narrow minded, bigots you can't even see your own hypocrisy.
 
Being called a bigot by a member of the religious right is a novel experience.

The difference, since you asked, is that homesick is just one guy who you think (maybe with some justification) is being rude.

Homosexuals are a large group of human beings, as different from each other as all human beings are different from each other. To place the whole body of gay people in a group and make judgements about them is wrong. To deny them rights freely granted to others is not only wrong, it is illegal.

The statement I made (inadvisedly) characterizing those in the religious right as intolerant and self-righteous is based mainly, in this case, on two factors:
(1) their uniform denouncement of gay people as sinners worthy of contempt, and
(2) their often-professed religious doctrine that they are right and anyone who does not accept their prescribed path to Heaven is doomed to hell. (1) intolerance (2) self righteousness

I'm a little disappointed that you give yogi-bama a pass on his slimy and suggestive remark to Bama Belle, but find fault with me because I issue remarks in defense of one of our female posters.

Does it strike you as a little wierd that a person can make a smarmy crack like that with one breath and quote the bible in the next?
 
Bobstod,

I addressed your post because you seem to at least consider what others write and apply with intelligent posts, otherwise I would not reply to you at all, as it would be pointless.

As far as the beliefs of the Religious Right, it is their right in this country to believe as such. No one is forced to agree with them and if they are turn people away from God by their attitudes then they will be dealt with by God.

If you choose to ignore members you place in that group you are being discriminatory as well. Just because someone is conservative and Christian does not automatically mean they exclude and condemn others. I am about as Conservative as you can get but I do not treat anyone any different than I expect to be treated. I have close friends that are agnostic and vote for Nader. Others that are very Liberal. That does not exclude me from believing what they believe is wrong and it does not exclude me from believing it is better for our country to not recognize same sex marriages even on a purely secular basis. It just mean we have different opinions and I have a right to vote against them. That does not mean it's ok to group me into the Religious Right and label me intolerant or narrow minded. Whoever does so is being intolerant and narrow minded.

As far as "their" religious doctrine and path to heaven, you'll have to be more specific. If you are referring to Southern Baptists and John 3:16, it is not their path, it is God's path. It's one thing to make up your own religion such as the Scientology, but the Southern Baptists and many other groups base their religion on the Holy Bible. If you choose not to believe this is the only path to Heaven, it does not make them wrong.

The only way they can be truly exclusive is if what they believe is true. That the only path to Heaven is by accepting Jesus Christ. The Religious Right has no power to exclude you from Heaven, so if you disagree with them and don't believe their path is true, why are you so concerned about them?

[This message has been edited by TexasTide (edited 02-23-2004).]
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by bobstod:
32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Now there's an interesting passage.

This section begins with a description of a body of men and women who have sunk into "wickedness, evil, greed and depravity."

Some of these people have engaged in homosexual acts. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. The aurhor goes on to say that they are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful. Not quite satisfied with that, he adds that they invent ways of doing evil and they disobey their parents. To sum up he describes these people as senseless, faithless, heartless, and ruthless.

Now after an introduction like that, it would not be surprising if we viewed this group as a little bit suspicious. They might not be exactly 'our kind of people'.

But then comes the interesting part. These folks "deserve death"! Hmmm... I was thinking that somewhere it says that all sinners deserve death; and that all human beings are sinners. Hmmm... Maybe some sinners are more equal than other sinners. That worked for a while in dealing with the 'negro problem'. Ditto for the "Jewish problem", back in the 30s and 40s in Germany.

Maybe we should just kill them. We know they deserve death, so let's get it over with.

But wait. Maybe that 'deserve death' remark just means that when these people die (not right now, but later on, from AIDS or something) that they deserve it. Maybe we shouldn't just kill them outright. Leave it to God.

But it's OK to vilify them, right? We can shun them, call them names, talk loudly about how disgusting they are, right? I mean, they are senseless, faithless, murdering, depraved, people who disobey their parents! Surely it's OK to point our fingers at them and feel superior!

After all, they are in that group OVER THERE! That group is MUCH less deserving of love, compassion, mercy, and understanding than MY GROUP, right?

Oh, you say that sorting folks into groups is supposed to be left up to God on judgement day?

But it says, right here, in this HOLY BOOK, that they are deserving of death, and they are insolent, arrogant, and boastful!

I'M NOT IN THAT GROUP! I'M OVER HERE, IN THE BETTER GROUP!!!</font>
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You can slice it and dice it any way you want to if it makes you feel better.

Good luck playing that game with God.
 
T-Bama said: As far as "their" religious doctrine and path to heaven, you'll have to be more specific. If you are referring to Southern Baptists and John 3:16, it is not their path, it is God's path. It's one thing to make up your own religion such as the Scientology, but the Southern Baptists and many other groups base their religion on the Holy Bible. If you choose not to believe this is the only path to Heaven, it does not make them wrong.


In logical terms, what you are saying is this: the bible says there is only one way to heaven. Southern Baptists believe the bible. Therefore, God says there is only one way to heaven.

The logic is faulty. The only logical conclusion to that syllogism is that southern Baptists believe there is only one way to heaven.

If logic is not your forte, then what you are saying is that YOU believe that God says there is only one way to heaven. That is your own belief; and that is the Soputhern Baptist belief, and you are welcome to it. I'm not saying you are wrong. I'm just saying that YOU and the Southern Baptists want to condemn me to hell because , even though I concede that your way leads to heaven, you will not accord me the same latitude.

There are more ways to truth than through the bible, and more ideas about the nature of God than is contiained in your philosophy. That is what I believe.

But I don't think you will go to hell for not believing what I believe....
 
Hey, "Yogi"

Thanks for your post. There's really two passages that sum up what Christianity is based on:

Genesis 1:1 - "In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the earth."

II Timothy 3:16,17 - "ALL scripture is given by inspiration of GOD (this is the same GOD that created the world); 17)and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for REPROOF, for CORRECTION; for INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS."

What is RIGHTEOUSNESS? It is defined by GOD (the same GOD who created the world AND the one who inspired some 40 men to write His word through which He would reveal His wisdom to us.)And the command that was given under the old law (the old testament)was:

Deut 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD YOUR GOD which I comman you."

In the New Testament, John-the apostle of love-wrote BY INSPIRATION in Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of this prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, GOD shall add unto him plagues that are written in this book; 19)And if any man shall take away from the words of this book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

God has given us the TRUTH. We CAN know the TRUTH. It is simply up to every individual to decide whether or not he wants to accept the TRUTH. We live in an age where people say you can't really know the truth. But, Jesus said in John 8:31,32, "The Jesus said to those Jews which BELIEVED on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples INDEED; 32)And ye shall KNOW the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set you free."

To sum up my post; God HAS given us the TRUTH and the TRUTH is homosexuality is CONDEMNED in His word. As "Nan" has stated, I do not HATE homosexuals. I'd love nothing more than to see men and women living this lifestyle turn back to the ways of God and live according to His Truth. But I do HATE their lifestyle - AS DOES GOD!

History tells us that Great nations (Rome, Israel, Sodom & Gomorrah, etc), have fallen because they rotted from the inside out. What was one of the big things happening? SEXUAL IMMORALITY. This is everything from premarital sex, beastiality, homosexuality, adultery, and on and on. God preserved the sexual relationship between MAN and WOMAN that they may be fruitful and multiply. You can't fulfill God's commands with two women or two men!

May God bless this nation and all of us that we may turn back to Him before it is too late.
 
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